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re: Unless Coach O explodes... It's Herman, Jimbo, then CEO
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:05 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:05 am to wildtigercat93
Realistically? Idk. I would take Chris Peterson over Jimbo but there's no way he comes here.
I think Bobby Petrino is a better coach as well, but I don't think he would leave and I don't think we would go after him for various obvious reasons.
Jimbo very well may be out best option after Herman, but I'm not ready to say that he is capable of going head to head with the best.
I think Bobby Petrino is a better coach as well, but I don't think he would leave and I don't think we would go after him for various obvious reasons.
Jimbo very well may be out best option after Herman, but I'm not ready to say that he is capable of going head to head with the best.
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:09 am to drexyl
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is hugh freeze a bad coach in your mind?
Hugh freeze is cheating his arse off.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:10 am to UpToPar
If Coach O wins out I am on board
The whole Ole Miss thing being a strike doesn't really hold water if it was shown he made changes.
That's like saying you wouldn't hire Pete Carroll because he got bounced from the Jets and Pats.
The whole Ole Miss thing being a strike doesn't really hold water if it was shown he made changes.
That's like saying you wouldn't hire Pete Carroll because he got bounced from the Jets and Pats.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:13 am to Honest Tune
Miles didn't bleed purple and gold. Michigan man that bled LSU for millions of dollars while refusing to change/fix his problems.
Considering how well Miles has handled this firing, you come very stupid with that statement. He has clearly loves LSU - Baton Rouge, the players, everything - and you really can't make an argument otherwise despite his other flaws.
Considering how well Miles has handled this firing, you come very stupid with that statement. He has clearly loves LSU - Baton Rouge, the players, everything - and you really can't make an argument otherwise despite his other flaws.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:13 am to UpToPar
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but it's looking more and more as though he owes much of his success to Winston.
complete and utter BS. You fail at looking at the big picture. He's got a freshman QB playing like a senior.
His O is scoring his D is having problems due to losing his DC. SO some defensive woes this year erases all his successes? HE owes all his LSU success to winston? His defensive success at FSU to winston? His QB development success to winston? Soooooo even though his young QB is doing well and the D is having problems that means his offense sucks now because he doesn't have winston? You realize where FSU was before he took over?
You are beyond facking stupid.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:14 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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I've said it a couple times on here, hire Jimbo and your ceiling is a playoff run every four or five years when he puts all the pieces together, with no guarantee he'll win it.
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swing for the fences and take a chance on a guy who could potentially do better.
I'm just amazed how how daft some people are. You have one candidate who has won a NC as a coordinator, won another as a head coach, and played in the playoffs as a head coach. You are saying that you believe he can get you in the playoffs every 4-5 years with a shot at a NC.
And you'd rather hire someone who is unknown completely?
There is not another Saban out there. He is the best coach ever. We aren't hiring a guy who is going to win 3 NCs in 4 years. The reason??? That guy doesn't exist. Jim Harbaugh couldn't do that at LSU. Urban Meyer couldn't do that at LSU. Only one guy could, and he isn't coming back.
I'd take making a run in the playoffs every 4 years. That is about as good as it is going to get here at LSU. Accept that.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:15 am to wildtigercat93
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Saban lost to Dinardo in a bowl game. He lost two straight to Hugh Freeze. No one is perfect. Jimbo is a top 5 coach, 12 games doesn't change that.
You cannot fix stupid with some of these football ignorant fans.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:17 am to wildtigercat93
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didn't stop a high school coach from making it a decent program.
That was 8 years before he started at Ole Miss. And Freeze looks to be a damned fine coach from where I'm standing. I would probably take him over Jimbo. quote:You say "recency bias" like it's a bad thing when looking at a coach. You have to look at what has been done recently. It's the only thing that matters! If we judge coaches by what they did 10 years ago, we would still have Miles.
If we are going to hold one 7-5 stretch from Jimbo against him, why can't we hold the ole miss games against Oregeron? How does that make any sense? That is the definition of recency bias
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:21 am to wildtigercat93
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You're right. Jimbo has never won a championship.
JIMBO SUX!!!!!!!
ONLY won the west here every other year, 01, 03 and 05 at LSU
ONLY won 4 division titles at FSU
ONLY won 3 conference titles at FSU
ONLY won one natty at FSU
ONLY made the playoffs the very next year at FSU
ONLY had coached at least 8 QB's who have played pro ball. 4 first rounders.
TERRIBLE!!!!!
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:27 am to Korkstand
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Why does everybody look at what he did 10 years ago instead of what he did 3 years ago? Football isn't about what you did a decade ago, it's about what you're doing now.
I think we all need to agree on what's the best definition of being a head coach and running a program before we can even discuss this reasonably.
For me, I think there is a distinct difference between stepping in and being an interim coach, and being hired as the full time head coach. It's a kin to being a substitute teacher and the full time one.
As far as who I'd like to have stepped in after Miles was fired, I honestly can't think of anyone that seems to possess the skill set of being a great interim coach than Orgeron. Not only did he have the blueprint of essentially doing the opposite of what Miles and Cameron were doing and thereby making fans happy, but he brings a passion and excitement that fans and players love. Couldn't ask for a better stop gap fix than him at this point.
But...is being a good interim coach the same thing as building or even maintaining a program? I don't think they necessarily are. Running a program is about hiring your own staff, navigating administration, recruiting, long term player development, etc. Basically, it's not being the cool substitute that everyone likes. It's the much tougher job of being the teacher all year long.
So...why bring up Ole Miss? Because, until he's hired as a head coach for more than 2/3 of a season, it is literally the ONLY data set we have with which to judge his ability to run a PROGRAM and not be an interim coach. And, that's what we're looking for, isn't it?
Now...do I think he's probably better all around than he was then? Yep. Do I think he'd fair better at LSU with all of our advantages in comparison to Ole Miss a decade ago? Yes, again.
But, for my money, until a coach...ANY COACH...has proven than can successfully run their own program for a few years I'd never EVER consider giving them the keys to the LSU castle. To do otherwise, I think, confuses the job of Interim Coach with that of long term Head Coach, and I think we do that at a VERY high risk.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:27 am to Fat Bastard
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complete and utter BS. You fail at looking at the big picture. He's got a freshman QB playing like a senior.
Well, he's already lost 2 games with his freshman QB playing like a senior.
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His O is scoring his D is having problems due to losing his DC. SO some defensive woes this year erases all his successes? HE owes all his LSU success to winston? His defensive success at FSU to winston? His QB development success to winston? Soooooo even though his young QB is doing well and the D is having problems that means his offense sucks now because he doesn't have winston? You realize where FSU was before he took over?
He was 31-10 before Winston got there and he is 13-5 since he's left. This is while playing in the ACC where he faces only a handful of good teams each year.
I understand his defense is terrible this year, but last year he had the 18 ranked total defense. He played 3 ranked teams and lost to two of them with another loss to Georgia Tech.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:27 am to hashtag
"guaranteed, proven winners who would take this job?"
So dumb to use that word.....
So dumb to use that word.....
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:27 am to Korkstand
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thing when looking at a coach. You have to look at what has been done recently. It's the only thing that matters! If we judge coaches by what they did 10 years ago, we would still have Miles.
SMFH. Recency bias takes what has just happened and projecting it to happen over the long term despite what other evidence points to
I'm not saying judge candidates based on what happened 10 years ago, I'm suggesting this innovative idea of judging the candidates based on their entire body of work and no including what criteria you want and excluding the ones you don't want.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:28 am to Fat Bastard
quote:So now we're counting accomplishments from all positions? If so, Orgeron has had quite a bit of success.
ONLY won the west here every other year, 01, 03 and 05 at LSU
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:30 am to hashtag
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I've said it a couple times on here, hire Jimbo and your ceiling is a playoff run every four or five years when he puts all the pieces together, with no guarantee he'll win it.
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swing for the fences and take a chance on a guy who could potentially do better.
Honest question, who specifically do you think can do better? Saban and Meyer are the obvious names, throw in Harbaugh too if you want - potentially Herman (still somewhat of an unknown but clearly the hot name right now).
I think a playoff run every four or five years is all the top flight programs can really hope for, especially in the SEC, unless you get one of the "generational coaches". Hell when Saban retires that will be all I hope to get from whomever Alabama hires.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 10:30 am
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:31 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I think we all need to agree on what's the best definition of being a head coach and running a program before we can even discuss this reasonably.
For me, I think there is a distinct difference between stepping in and being an interim coach, and being hired as the full time head coach. It's a kin to being a substitute teacher and the full time one.
As far as who I'd like to have stepped in after Miles was fired, I honestly can't think of anyone that seems to possess the skill set of being a great interim coach than Orgeron. Not only did he have the blueprint of essentially doing the opposite of what Miles and Cameron were doing and thereby making fans happy, but he brings a passion and excitement that fans and players love. Couldn't ask for a better stop gap fix than him at this point.
But...is being a good interim coach the same thing as building or even maintaining a program? I don't think they necessarily are. Running a program is about hiring your own staff, navigating administration, recruiting, long term player development, etc. Basically, it's not being the cool substitute that everyone likes. It's the much tougher job of being the teacher all year long.
So...why bring up Ole Miss? Because, until he's hired as a head coach for more than 2/3 of a season, it is literally the ONLY data set we have with which to judge his ability to run a PROGRAM and not be an interim coach. And, that's what we're looking for, isn't it?
Now...do I think he's probably better all around than he was then? Yep. Do I think he'd fair better at LSU with all of our advantages in comparison to Ole Miss a decade ago? Yes, again.
But, for my money, until a coach...ANY COACH...has proven than can successfully run their own program for a few years I'd never EVER consider giving them the keys to the LSU castle. To do otherwise, I think, confuses the job of Interim Coach with that of long term Head Coach, and I think we do that at a VERY high risk.
The problem with your teacher analogy is that O wouldn't be the cool substitute that everyone likes. He would be Jaime fricking Escalante with the class passing the AP calculas test when the class was collectively getting a D at the end of the first quarter of the year.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:31 am to rilesrick
quote:i'm referring to their past. They have already proven they can win. Actually done it. Unlike Ed Orgeron.
So dumb to use that word.....
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:33 am to hashtag
I really what these threads become when the person with the info vacates and everyone else starts 
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:34 am to wildtigercat93
quote:I am looking at their entire body of work, and a crucial part of this examination is the trend. Orgeron looks to have improved remarkably, while Jimbo seems to be regressing.
SMFH. Recency bias takes what has just happened and projecting it to happen over the long term despite what other evidence points to
I'm not saying judge candidates based on what happened 10 years ago, I'm suggesting this innovative idea of judging the candidates based on their entire body of work and no including what criteria you want and excluding the ones you don't want.
By your logic, LSU should still have Miles and FSU should still have Bowden.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:34 am to Random LSU Hero
If they fired Miles and paid him all that money just to hire O, then there need to be mass firings. This guy wouldn't even be under consideration if he wasn't Cajun. LSU will be a laughing stock if they do this. There is a reason the media and fans of our rival schools all want LSU to hire Coach O and it ain't because they want the Tigers to be successful.
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