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re: Unless Coach O explodes... It's Herman, Jimbo, then CEO
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:11 pm to Cs
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:11 pm to Cs
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Other than Stanford
Beating #5 Stanford is a pretty great win. You are really reaching to dismiss what he did at USC. Given that USC hired the next interim that did the same thing, I think there is a pretty good argument to be made that he probably should have got a chance at the job.
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The simple fact is that Ed is being considered because he's a charismatic Cajun that loves Louisiana. And that's the only reason.
No other coach on this staff would have the opportunity to become the permanent head coach of the program if they were promoted to the interim position in place of Orgeron.
Aranda probably would have and O is being considered because of that and, in part, for what happened at USC.
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Imagine if Alabama hired Burton Burns to be their head coach after Saban retires. Or if Ohio State gave Luke Fickell the head coaching position if Urban stepped down. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
If for some reason Saban or Meyer left with 8 games left in the season and Burns or Fickell won the rest of their games to win their respective conference it wouldn't sound ridiculous at all.
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This would be an embarrassing hire for the program.
If LSU hires him after he goes 5-3 or even 6-2 without a win against Bama, probably. If he beats bama and goes either 8-0 or 7-1, not so much.
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:14 pm to nvasil1
quote:I am only "ignoring" it because it doesn't seem representative of his abilities as a coach. That was a special team with a special college QB. Even Miles had a special season like that (aside from the game we don't talk about), but we certainly don't assess his coaching skills based on that season, do we?
You keep dissecting their struggles, yet keep conveniently ignoring 2013 when their average margin of victory was 42 points and no one got within 2 touchdowns of them until the NCG.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:16 pm to Cs
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I'll keep making this point - no other coach on this staff would be given the opportunity to win the permanent head coaching job if they were promoted to the interim position, regardless of the results they produced. Not Peveto. Not Cameron. Not Raymond. Not Ensmniger.
You keep saying that but it isn't true. And you didn't mention Aranda.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:17 pm to UpToPar
quote:The ACC is a lot stronger than you give them credit for...and Jimbo won 12 games the year before Winston started.
Sure, the rest of that team was extremely talented. But, I think Jimbo, as a coach, is somewhere between what he was with Winston and what he was without Winston, which makes him somewhere around a 10 win coach IN THE ACC.
Outside of Saban and Meyer, who else has had as much success as Fisher over the last four years?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:22 pm to Chicken
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The ACC is a lot stronger than you give them credit for...and Jimbo won 12 games the year before Winston started.
Outside of Saban and Meyer, who else has had as much success as Fisher over the last four years?
FSU goes 23-1 in conference over a three year period and the only things people on here can say is the ACC wasn't good and that FSU looked sloppy in year 3.
A blind resume test, it would be hard to pick out Jimbo from even Urbs and Saban. Maybe Jimbo's greatest achievement as a coach was getting Christian Ponder drafted in the first round. That's amazing. He must be touched by the hand of Chris Rix.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:23 pm to Korkstand
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Look, Jimbo's style of winning is so similar to Miles it's scary. Check out 2014, 13-1 right? SEVEN of those wins were by one score! They could have easily lost SEVEN GAMES. And those SEVEN one-score games were against the likes of a 7-6 Okie St team, a (10-3) Clemson team that lost to every ranked team they faced, 8-5 ND, a 6-7 Miami team, 7-6 BC, and 7-5 Florida. Is it any surprise they got blown out when they finally faced a good team in Oregon?
Was that Winston's last year there? I remember thinking they would lose almost every time.
I watched the NC state game - they luckily came back in that one.
Jimbo has a track record of his teams not playing the 1st half, see this year as well. This is more of trend now and I wouldn't like an uninspired team for 1 half.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:24 pm to Chicken
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Outside of Saban and Meyer, who else has had as much success as Fisher over the last four years?
Fisher is certainly just behind those guys... I just don't understand why the guy would leave FSU. Whatever money LSU would offer him, FSU would match. FSU has an easier road to the playoffs (albeit not much easier right now), and they're already in the recruiting hot bed, so travel isn't such a burden on him and his staff at FSU.
Herman is your man, I believe, with Coach O as the second choice if he has a successful season.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:25 pm to ForeverGator
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Fisher is certainly just behind those guys... I just don't understand why the guy would leave FSU. Whatever money LSU would offer him, FSU would match. FSU has an easier road to the playoffs (albeit not much easier right now), and they're already in the recruiting hot bed, so travel isn't such a burden on him and his staff at FSU.
The administrative support has been pretty poor. Certainly not what he would get if he were at LSU. That would be the only reason for him to switch.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:26 pm to Korkstand
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but we certainly don't assess his coaching skills based on that season, do we?
Well, you and a few others keep pointing out how amazing Orgeron did in 8 games at USC. Kessler thew for almost 3,000 yards that season.
If 14 games aren't sufficient to give an accurate representation of Jimbo's coaching skills, why are the 16 games Orgeron will have coached between USC and LSU (as an interim) any more inidicative of his abilities as a coach?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:26 pm to ForeverGator
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FSU has an easier road to the playoffs
I get where people come from with this, but it really isn't that much easier. You pretty much have to be undefeated to go to the playoffs in the ACC, and in the SEC 1 loss will get you in 99% of the time. You're also more likely to have 2 SEC than ACC.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:27 pm to bencoleman
quote:Most people in the media I've seen have said that the only chance he has to get the job is with no more than one loss and to someone other than Bama. If we hire him under any other circumstances, it will probably shock people on a national level.
I can't think of anyone that's a better fit for LSU right now than coach O and if he makes a decent showing the job should be his.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:28 pm to Chicken
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The ACC is a lot stronger than you give them credit for...and Jimbo won 12 games the year before Winston started.
They have gotten better since the emergence of Clemson, but consistently only have 2, maybe 3 good teams each year, one of those being FSU.
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Outside of Saban and Meyer, who else has had as much success as Fisher over the last four years?
Nobody, but that doesn't mean he's the best coach for the job. Outside of Saban and Meyer, Les Miles has had the most success over the last 10 years and you see where that got him.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:29 pm to glaucon
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You keep saying that but it isn't true. And you didn't mention Aranda.
I'll give you Aranda. But the point still stands.
Take Peveto - he has a higher winning percentage as a permanent head coach than Orgeron. Now imagine if he were given the interim head coaching position, and subsequently took the team unbeaten the rest of the way.
You and I both know he wouldn't even be considered for the job (and rightfully so). And the fans wouldn't want him either.
And yet Orgeron beats Missouri, and suddenly the entire state is infatuated with him.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:30 pm to abellsujr
Are you guys open to hiring a Shaw, Patterson, or Stoops (Bob of course, if he gets canned). Swinney isn't going anywhere, but that I can certainly see your AD trying with him.
I have feeling it'll be someone like Cutliffe though, and I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling.
I have feeling it'll be someone like Cutliffe though, and I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:33 pm to Korkstand
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I am only "ignoring" it because it doesn't seem representative of his abilities as a coach.
So another undefeated regular season, the conference championships, the major bowl appearances and 3 straight top-10 finishes mean he's not that great of a coach because he hasn't replicated the dominance of 2013. Got it.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:33 pm to Cs
quote:That Jimbo, like Miles, is not nearly as good as his record might indicate.
So what's the argument?
quote:I ignore pretty much anything anyone did 10 years ago, except to see if the present is an improvement over the past.
That we should ignore Orgeron's abysmal failures at Ole Miss, because it was "10 years ago",
quote:You and I both know it's hard to compare such things, but let's try it this way. Both took over teams that were 7-6 the year before. Orgeron started off 6-2, Jimbo started off 6-2. That's about as far as we can compare the two being in charge of "big time" programs.
and view his 6-2 interim record at USC as a superior accomplishment to Jimbo's 71-16 record at Florida State?
quote:That's because they gave the interim gig to the most qualified guy.
I'll keep making this point - no other coach on this staff would be given the opportunity to win the permanent head coaching job if they were promoted to the interim position, regardless of the results they produced. Not Peveto. Not Cameron. Not Raymond. Not Ensmniger.
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But O is given the interim position, and suddenly, this turns into an "audition". And the reason for that is completely separate from any perceived or actual competency as a head coach.
What do you think is the reason he is being given a look, then, if not "perceived or actual competency"? Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:33 pm to ForeverGator
I think the coach would have to come from a congruent culture, so David Shaw wouldn't really fit what LSU does. Bob Stoops, nah, but if he gets the heave ho, sign up Lincoln Riley to coach the offense. Gary Patterson hasn't been wedged out of purple Baylor yet. I'd be surprised if LSU could do it.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:35 pm to Korkstand
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What do you think is the reason he is being given a look, then, if not "perceived or actual competency"?
Because they want to retain him if possible on a new staff, and the only way someone accepts the "interim" tag, usually, is if they are assured they get a chance at the job.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:36 pm to Korkstand
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You and I both know it's hard to compare such things, but let's try it this way. Both took over teams that were 7-6 the year before. Orgeron started off 6-2, Jimbo started off 6-2. That's about as far as we can compare the two being in charge of "big time" programs.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 2:41 pm to cas4t
People are trying to give arguments why they want Coach O over Jimbo after one game. I just..........I don't know anymore. 
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 2:43 pm
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