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re: Two very basic observations Re: Matt Campbell
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:37 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:37 pm to Lester Earl
Yeah at those places you’re just going to reach a peak and then plateau. Try as you may and I’m sure he did want to “build something special there” you’re just not going to get elite guys there consistently.
Is he properly developing the molds of clay he’s getting though?
Is he properly developing the molds of clay he’s getting though?
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:38 pm to DBG
quote:What Saban did bring with him is an overall strategy to recruiting. How to prioritize. How to divide up resources to put the mostest to be used on the bestest. Most importantly- expectations; settling for less than desirable players wasn't "normal" any longer.
He doesn’t have to handle recruiting by himself either. When Sabes came here, he brought in SEC guys like Muschamp and Dooley and Smart and Pete Jenkins and Jimbo. He probably knew he was deficient in that area needed help wading those waters.
Then he went and found the guys to put that strategy to work because, like you said, they knew the local game and had local contacts.
That's why Saban had no qualms about diving into a new region. He fought so many battles in the B1G where had almost no chance against UM and tOSU that he instinctively recruited like he was the underdog (which he was at the time). He still recruits that way. He recruits every player at Bama like he's got no chance. And he insists his coaches do the same.
Gimme a HC with a strategy and a desire to beat opponents on the recruiting trail and we'll find him the assistants and great things will happen.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:51 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
quote:
If you want to compete for a national championship, you have to recruit—HAVE TO recruit—at a top 10 level at absolute bare minimum. Realistically, you need to be at a top 5 level.
quote:
There’s a reason Ed Orgeron can go 10-25 at Ole Miss but end up having the best team in CFB history at LSU Your point is mind numbingly stupid
How is his statement stupid?
Here is the roster talent of the last 6 National Champions from 247-
Bama-1
LSU-6
Clemson-9
Bama-2
Clemson-9
Bama-1
What teams are competing each year for a Natty without Top 10 talent?
It is a must.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:56 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:
How is his statement stupid?
Here is the roster talent of the last 6 National Champions from 247-
He’s can’t recruit top 5 classes to Iowa St, the same way Nick Saban couldn’t to Mich St, or Les Miles to Ok St, or Ed O to Ole Miss. That doesn’t make them poor recruiters
Guess where they all could, and did draw top 5 classes: LSU
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:58 pm to Lester Earl
I feel like Aranda is our Brandon Staley hire m8
But i would ride with Campbell
But i would ride with Campbell
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:02 pm to BilJ
It has nothing to do with whether or not Campbell is a good coach. It’s that LSU should be able to attract better or the idea that we are a top 5 job is just wrong.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:14 pm to BilJ
Yes, he is properly molding the players he is getting.
Lester actually brought up a good point for once when he talked about iowa state being in most games.
There is a reason belicheck and others wanted him.
I still don't see him coming to lsu. Money doesn't seem to motivate him.
Lester actually brought up a good point for once when he talked about iowa state being in most games.
There is a reason belicheck and others wanted him.
I still don't see him coming to lsu. Money doesn't seem to motivate him.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:14 pm to J2thaROC
quote:
It’s that LSU should be able to attract better or the idea that we are a top 5 job is just wrong.
What does that even mean
What coaches fit this bill
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:14 pm to Lester Earl
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That’s not even a wart
No mid tier P5 team is pulling top 5 classes
And every coach goes through recruiting battles. They are just relative to their team’s level.
Blasphemy! I’m certain Urban was pulling top 5 recruiting classes at Bowling Green and Utah, as was Saban at Toledo and Michigan State.
These kinds of equivocations are so stupid.
Campbell recruits in the 40s! Napier hasn’t beaten anyone!
These coaches have to be judged at their level.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:25 pm to J2thaROC
quote:
idea that we are a top 5 job is just wrong.
Besides soothing the ego of internet posters, why does this matter?
The key is hiring a great coach. There is no proven philosophy. A top 5 job has no better track record than any other type of school.
Before Saban, Alabama had a horrible record of hiring coaches.
Oklahoma, Nebraska, Florida, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame, etc, have all gone on terrible streaks of coaching hires.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
The key is hiring a great coach
People need to hang up the “splash” sabanesque type hire…
LSU needs a solid AF coach.
Stoops, Aranda, Campbell, Napier are solid coaches!
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:28 pm to J2thaROC
quote:
has nothing to do with whether or not Campbell is a good coach. It’s that LSU should be able to attract better or the idea that we are a top 5 job is just wrong.
You do realize that this board is not reality, and that outside of this board in the actual football community, Campbell is VERY VERY highly thought of.
He was offered an NFL job dude.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:28 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
What does that even mean
What coaches fit this bill
You know what this means. That woodward has to pay riley 12mil or the hire is a failure.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:33 pm to Fun Bunch
Someone tried to argue against Rhule the other day because his college record is 47-43. Some people are hopeless.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:35 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:
You know what this means. That woodward has to pay riley 12mil or the hire is a failure.
Yea, and that’s dumb
LSU is a top 5 job, that doesn’t mean you can lure a coach from a top 10 or even top 15 program. That rarely ever happens
The teams that have done that, like Saban or Urban Meyer, have come available because of rare circumstances.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:51 pm to LifeAquatic
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People are reeeeeeeeeallyyyy talkin themselves into this one QUICKLY.
Campbell has always been near the top of my list. I just didn't know how realistic he was. Seems like every time his name got brought up, some Iowa guys would say he's not leaving the Midwest.
I'm sure I'm not alone. I've liked him for years.
Of the guys lately, I'd have Aranda and Campbell right behind Riley. Between Aranda and Campbell I'd probably slightly prefer Campbell, but would be thrilled with either.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 2:47 pm to whitefoot
Bump
Posted on 11/28/21 at 2:55 pm to Lester Earl
I said in another thread a friend of a friend had a sauce that Campbell was going to be the coach. Said it was agreed to over a week ago. Even before all this Riley done deal smoke this week.
I don’t believe him but we will see….
I don’t believe him but we will see….
Posted on 11/28/21 at 2:56 pm to Lester Earl
Imo, he’s the best x/o coach that LSU could get, including Riley, Fisher and anyone else that was considered a tier 1 candidate. There are obviously other factors, like cultural fit, recruiting etc. But based purely on coaching, I don’t think there is a better option.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 3:06 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
The cultural fit issue is so overrated it's ridiculous.
Arnsparger and Saban had zero fit at all with Baton Rouge and they're the two most consequential football hires of the last half-century.
Non-morons who can coach do outstandingly well at LSU and get embraced by the culture.
Skip Bertman, a Jew from Miami,is the most successful coach in LSU history. Dale Brown, a Music Man character from North Dakota, has the basketball court at the PMAC named for him.
Leave this culture shite out of the equation. We talk all the time about how LSU football needs a culture change anyway.
Arnsparger and Saban had zero fit at all with Baton Rouge and they're the two most consequential football hires of the last half-century.
Non-morons who can coach do outstandingly well at LSU and get embraced by the culture.
Skip Bertman, a Jew from Miami,is the most successful coach in LSU history. Dale Brown, a Music Man character from North Dakota, has the basketball court at the PMAC named for him.
Leave this culture shite out of the equation. We talk all the time about how LSU football needs a culture change anyway.
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