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re: Three names for Arkansas
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:53 pm to Jwho77
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:53 pm to Jwho77
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Meanwhile, Mike Leach is there for the taking.
Arkansas will be paying two coaches to not coach so the best route is to go after Art Briles. He would be considerably cheaper than Leach. Both can win at Arkansas but Briles has the connections to Texas High Schools full of over looked players. If the Arkansas AD was smart he would offer the job to Art Briles and hire Kendall as OC/ Head Coach in Waiting.
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:22 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
quote:LMAO! I can't!!
Lew Holtz ring a bell?
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:29 pm to Hawgeye
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1995 SEC West Champions
1998 SEC West Co-Champions
2002 SEC West Champions
2006 SEC West Champions
Key point: In none of those years were LSU and Alabama dominant.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:09 pm to lsu777
Your answer was framed as if Arkansas fans were consistently saying we should get Fleck, when hardly any of us have been saying that outside of wish lists that usually have a “not realistic” disclaimer. So yes, it does actually change what you were saying. Dipshit.
Campbell is unlikely but still possible.
Campbell is unlikely but still possible.
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:11 pm to Tiger Phil
I like how you casually disregard those because other teams in the division weren’t “dominant”. That doesn’t somehow invalidate them lol.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:15 pm to Born to be a Tiger1
If there’s one thing I’ve realized, it’s that non-Arkansas fans have absolutely zero clue as to what’s going on with this search and our program in general.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:58 pm to Porcine Human
quote:No, what invalidates them is that they happened 13+ years ago. to put that in perspective, your next incoming recruiting class were all in pre-K the last time Arky played in the SECCG.
I like how you casually disregard those because other teams in the division weren’t “dominant”. That doesn’t somehow invalidate them lol.
You guys made what looked like a great hire in 2013, a guy who’d won three straight B1G titles. And he promptly went 3-17 against the four teams he had to beat to win the West.
Face it, your football program is a less successful version of Nebraska. You were great years ago in a conference that no longer exists, playing in a league you’ve never won, still pretending you’ll be relevant again some day.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 12:56 am to Tiger Phil
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Key point: In none of those years were LSU and Alabama dominant.
Or Auburn
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:55 am to Dickaroo
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HOT rumor out of Dallas is Mike Leach.
Word is Cowboy owner Jerry Jones, Arky Alum, is engaged in the discussion and his grandson is on the team. Jerry
As a fan of a team in the same division I think Leach would be a dangerous hire compared to another Big 10 style coach. A creative offense is probably necessary to make waves at a school up against more talented rosters.
Leach will be good for some let down games but when he's good, he's really good. I don't think anyone else that Arkansas can land is likely to have as much or more success.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 3:32 am to molsusports
If Leach were to ever come to the SEC it should be Arkansas right nown. Under Nutt and Petrino Arkansas has had years where they generated some of the most exciting offenses in tSEC. A good, fun Arkansas is awesome. At the same time, given their recent history they're gonna pretty patient and tolerant of the down-side of Leach - he ultimately falls short of that elite level and the relatively leaner years in between
Posted on 11/18/19 at 8:56 am to Tiger Phil
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Key point: In none of those years were LSU and Alabama dominant.
Key point: The only reason why LSU is undefeated is because college football is down. Auburn is down, Alabama is down. Ole miss and state want to fire their coaches
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:57 am to slapnuts74
Man, that would be a fun night at the bar
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:00 am to pioneerbasketball
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Alabama is down
Bama is prolly going 11-1, STFU dude
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Auburn is down
The same au urn team that will finish prolly 9-4 which is much better than their historical win percentage of like 62%
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college football is down
You mean the same cfb that will have a playoff with 3 undefeated teams and a 1 loss conference champ?
Same cfb that will prolly have the
seccg being #2 vs #4
Big10CG featuring an undefeated Ohio State vs 1 loss Minnesota
Big12CG and oac12CG having two 1 loss teams squaring off all ranked in the top 10?
Look I have been a dick in this thread but let's talk facts
In general arky will be a 4th to 5th place team in it's division around 7-5 on most good years. They will have the ability to get to 8/9/ even 10 wins some years and maybe once a decade win the division if they catch the big boys in a down cycle.
The above is based off of historical data and ability to improve due to facilities/ recruiting.
You need a pipeline to Texas. You either need a bad fricking arse recruiter or you need an offense that works at places with less talent.
Are you willing to spend the money on shadow staff and recruiting budget? Right now you are 8th in the conference in spending. With your location to recruits you need to be in the top 4 to consistently compete, the issue is that puts you at spending more than you bring in.
Y'all talk like arky has unlimited funds, but your finances do not reflect that. So now you are having to pay another failure to go away. Want to win, start spending more money on background things.
Wanna know why LSU fell so far behind bama and UGA so quickly? They were outspending us on everything but the main coaching staff. Our staff was starting game planning on Sundays, their staffs walked in with all the scouting and game planning sitting on their desk on Sundays.
If you are not going to spend(which according to your finances, you can't) then you better get someone that can do more with less and at places that spend less. Those guys are leech and briles. Imo you have no chance at Campbell, fleck or rhule. They will wait for bigger jobs as they have already
If you are not going to get them you should take a chance on someone like Kiffen as has connects in Florida and will recruit his arse off and do whatever it takes to get people talking about arky.
If not then, need to take a chance on a young coordinator or a failed pro coach.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:08 am to Porcine Human
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btw, we're still a better job than Iowa State and can pay a lot more.
Actually, you really are not at this point. Your recruiting base is essentially the same as the rest of the SEC's which means at the MINIMUM you will have to wait your turn behind Alabama, LSU, Auburn, FL, and others. Also, in Texas you have to deal with Texas, and OU from the BDF
Campbell already has ISU at the point he can compete with and beat some of the upper-tier BDF teams, and work towards better goals. They are only going to get better, and Purdy is just a sophomore.
The biggest problem that Arkansas has is that they play in the SEC West, and have a much deeper pit to climb out of than Fleck does in the B10, or ISU in the BDF
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:24 am to FearlessFreep
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still pretending you’ll be relevant again some day.
You have a very warped perception of what relevant is or you have let some Arkansas fans sail you.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:35 am to ColoradoAg
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Actually, you really are not at this point. Your recruiting base is essentially the same as the rest of the SEC's which means at the MINIMUM you will have to wait your turn behind Alabama, LSU, Auburn, FL, and others. Also, in Texas you have to deal with Texas, and OU from the BDF
Campbell already has ISU at the point he can compete with and beat some of the upper-tier BDF teams, and work towards better goals. They are only going to get better, and Purdy is just a sophomore.
The biggest problem that Arkansas has is that they play in the SEC West, and have a much deeper pit to climb out of than Fleck does in the B10, or ISU in the BDF
Exactly the point I was trying to make. It's funny that arky talks about how much money they have blah blah blah yet their contributions have held steady around 24-25 million since 2012 and really hasn't moved this decade. Same with ticket sales and revenue. Only reason they have more money is the sec tv money.
Iowa State has steadily increased across the board and have tripled the donations to the program in the last decade. Still a little behind arky but not by much.
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They are not a better job than iowa state or Minnesota right now. Someone like campbell and fleck have went through the fires rebuilding the programs and have them in spots where they can consistently win 8-9 games now and look like heroes.
They aren't going to go to a place that will require a complete and I mean complete rebuild in the toughest division in cfb. Arky doesn't have the financial resources of the 4 schools ahead of it in its division. They do not have nearly the natural recruiting grounds the other four have either.
You are at a disadvantage however you look at it. You have to go and take a chance on someone if you want to compete just for third or fourth in the division with a once in a decade chance of winning a division title.
List should be (if they can't get Gus)
Leech
Briles
Kiffen
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:53 am to lsu777
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They are not a better job than iowa state or Minnesota right now.
I don't think most Arkansas fan thinks we are better jobs as of right now. It comes from the thought that the ceiling is higher. To some coaches that matters and to some it isn't a big factor. Most coaches have huge egos and think they can fix anything. Coaching in the SEC is a big plus for some coaches outside of the league.
That being said, I don't think Rhule, Fleck or Campbell are real possibilities. The reason that Campbell has been brought up more is the "rumors" of his high interest in coaching in the SEC.
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They do not have nearly the natural recruiting grounds the other four have either.
This is what it really comes down to, the other things don't matter as much. We need a coach that can develop and out scheme. Those other issues will take care of themselves if we start getting some wins.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 10:55 am
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:29 am to Tiger Phil
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2006 SEC West Champions
Lost to UW. Coached by.....
Bert
Posted on 11/18/19 at 12:45 pm to slapnuts74
Fleck is not leaving Minn on the west and go to SEC on the west. He has an easier road to get to his conference championship game where he is. That would be a step down for him. There I said it ark. fans.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 12:52 pm to mrbroker
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Fleck is not leaving Minn on the west and go to SEC on the west. He has an easier road to get to his conference championship game where he is. That would be a step down for him. There I said it ark. fans.
There has been this strange thing going on in some of these threads. in which posters act like most Arkansas fans think they are getting Fleck.
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