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re: They may be trying to get Kelly for cause

Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:35 am to
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
12883 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:35 am to
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He didn’t accept the $30M offer so now it’s time to go scorched earth.


I don't understand this line of thinking.

He and LSU made an agreement. LSU fired him prior to the contract expiration date, which means, as I understand it, that he is justified in requesting LSU honor all terms of the contract.

Why should he have to take less than the contracted values?

If there are clauses that stipulate lower payments for shitty performance, then I get it -- lower the payments, because he definitely performed at a shitty level.

However, I have neither seen, nor heard, of anything that indicates LSU is justified legally in reducing the buyout.

Not trying to be the contrarian, but legally, is there something there which gives LSU right to lower the payment -- other than, "You pissed off Tiger Nation."?
Posted by pmacneworleans
Member since Dec 2013
2163 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:25 am to
There is a clause that allows LSU to offset from remaining balances other income he earns and also that he has to use all best efforts to secure other income.LSU is wanting to reduce the buy out, and pay it in a lump sum, and in exchange Kelly gets to keep all other income.
Thi latest position by LSU is not good in terms of hiring a decent replacement for Kelly. You either will have to severely overpay someone, or hire a person who otherwise appears not to be the type of candidate the job would normally attract.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13309 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 2:42 am to
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There is a clause that allows LSU to offset from remaining balances other income he earns and also that he has to use all best efforts to secure other income.LSU is wanting to reduce the buy out, and pay it in a lump sum, and in exchange Kelly gets to keep all other income.


And there is the rub many are seeming to miss. LSU has yet to not live up to their end of the buyout. They are working towards a settlement offer different from that prescribed in the contract.

If they were not paying him his monthly payout/salary, then he would have a point, but they are paying him. They have not breached the contract and would not do so unless they officially fire him and did not pay him his scheduled buyout payment.

The other side of the coin is that he must make good-faith attempts to secure employment to maintain eligibility for the buyout, but this does not have to happen immediately. It also has to pay him market value for the position. He can't use his LSU buyout to take, say $1 million a year at his new job and then let LSU pay him $8 million. This would constitute a breach of the contract terms.

If he wants to retire, he would either have to forfeit his buyout or reach a settlement with LSU to waive those parts of the agreement.

If LSU does plan to fire for cause or use that as leverage, it will depend on how things were officially played out. Woodward never had the capacity on his own to fire/terminate Kelly. The BOS has to do that, and if they did not have an official meeting, the firing would have to be on an official agenda.

There are a lot of semantics, but nowhere has LSU not paid their obligation to date on Kelly's buyout.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
47708 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:07 am to
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If you read the article, LSUs stance is that they never formally fired him yet, and are now firing for cause.



Posted by GTnerd
ATL Jawja baby
Member since Sep 2023
676 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:56 am to
It makes you wonder if LSU is trying to avoid paying the buyout because they just don’t have the money?
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56184 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:57 am to
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LSUs stance is fricking retarded. They fired him, now trying to back track so they can fire him with cause because he wouldn't take a reduced buyout. Everyone sees right through it.


Let’s review cause that Kelly didn’t inform LSU board of supervisors, and the AD about for 4 seasons

400 rounds of golf
Beach trips during recruiting season
Drinking wine at the office
Didn’t know several of the players names
Adultery


He kept losing 3 games in a row for 3 straight seasons during October so we have an obvious performance issue relative to the reason he was hired “ to compete for championships” which we are not doing

He didn’t hold up his end of the agreement

I have my lawyers play hardball with Kelly and his lawyers

I ask him privately if he wants to protect whatever name he has left for himself

Take a deal or it will come at huge price to his character in the public eye - we’re going to let sports world know we have plenty of cause far beyond wins and losses
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33933 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:06 am to
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LSU's stance is that he wasn't formally fired because Woodward didn't have the authority, so isn't he technically still the coach?

How does that work?

And since he wasn't formally fired and LSU is now moving to fire him for cause, it requires a 7 day notice and an opportunity for BK to fight these allegations in writing. Therefore meaning BK is still the coach at LSU, since LSU informed him TODAY that they are moving to fire him for cause.

Not only a mess, but if BK wanted to be a huge dick he could technically be on the sidelines Saturday as the HC.



No, you're right. This is wild what they are trying to do.

I'm interested to see where this goes in the next week.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33933 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:19 am to
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Hope it goes to court and LSU gets Kelly's wife, the realtor, and the female football staffer he was sleeping with all on the witness stand and let the story unfold for everyone to see. Do you think Kelly would slam his fist on the table like he did after


Which female football staffer?
Posted by Wichita Co Tiger
Texas
Member since Apr 2023
3828 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:30 am to
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If you read the article


I guarantee you that nobody bashing or laughing at LSU in this thread or any other thread of the same kind has read the article nor do they have knowledge of what’s going on behind scenes. They see a headline and run like ignorant fools.

Read the article and go find the article published by The Athletic days after it was announced that they were working on a separation. All the information you need to know is right there.

This is nothing more than Kelly trying to get his money. LSU has more than enough evidence to support its stance.
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
25977 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:45 am to
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This tells me Landry is still involved. His state ranks either dead last or close to last in every meaningful category but LSU football is the axe he chooses to grind?





You need to go look at some of the updated stats. We're doing better than many realize.

To me, Woody fired BK and was fired before he could let that play out. So, now, LSU has had to go back and figure out why Woody fired him and you can't really ask the man. It's not like Woody left his binder of dirt behind when he bounced
Posted by Eauxld Geauxld
Mississippi
Member since Dec 2005
1312 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:13 am to
Not a good look for L.S.U.
Posted by Shunface
Lafayette County Detention Center
Member since Jan 2013
5336 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:15 am to
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You seem a little scared bro.


LSU fan, y’all.

Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33160 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:18 am to
LSU going full Michael Scott. I respect it.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
23918 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:19 am to
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We would have been required to notify for cause at time of firing. Can't do it after the fact.


Was he notified of firing or being relieved of duties. Not the same. If some stupid LA process law says you have to relieve someone of duties, wait, then fire it may not be after the fact.


Not saying there is cause there, but it’d be awesome if Kelly gets $0 after this.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36027 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:28 am to
Infidelity is a time honored tradition amongst CFB coaches....at LSU going back to Hallman, at least....before that, who knows.

Bryant had women all over. He once benched a certain QB because he found out he was sharing.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27420 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:30 am to
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Was he notified of firing or being relieved of duties. Not the same. If some stupid LA process law says you have to relieve someone of duties, wait, then fire it may not be after the fact.


If it matters, the way the news initially broke was that LSU notified Kelly of its intent to fire.

We’ve no way of knowing if or how that happened, but Kelly is still on payroll, unchanged from before all this happened.

And people need to take a breath. Parties negotiate settlements and damages all the time. LSU hasn’t breached anything, but trying to negotiate here is the prudent thing to try and do.

If Kelly rejects all offers he’ll get his money. It’ll be a cold day in hell before LSU lets this get ugly and I see no chance this goes to court and LSU attempts some smear campaign on Kelly as some fans have suggested.
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
5501 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:32 am to
Just when you thought this couldn’t become a bigger shite show. Yeesh.

And, yeah, Landry hasn’t involved any more. Suuuuuure.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46492 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:35 am to
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Is he technically still the coach? Y'all seem to be focusing on the personal attacks to avoid the actual clusterfrick of a situation unfolding, which is understandable when you have no defense of it


Or

We couldn’t give 2 shits about your opinion
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22417 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:35 am to
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400 rounds of golf Beach trips during recruiting season Drinking wine at the office Didn’t know several of the players names Adultery


Yeah, if y’all didn’t fire Orgeron for cause over his issues then none of this will hold up.
Posted by TXTiger81
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2021
1709 posts
Posted on 11/11/25 at 6:36 am to
This shite will blow over. Look what Penn State went through. I bet you thought they would never recover.

Employees and Employers fighting over severance, back pay, contracts, buyouts, etc. happens all the time. Quit trying to act like other football programs will benefit from this. Arkansas athletics will never be seen at the level LSU athletics is, no matter how much you wish it.
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