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Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:13 pm to Topwater Trout
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is the offense better?
Not against Bama, yet somehow that's not his fault, but the other games count in his favor. If you wanna examine it fairly give him credit or don't, but just be consistent. You can't ignore his worst game and place blame elsewhere when you gave him all the credit for the offense in the other games. It's not a fair assessment.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:14 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:It's impossible to determine this. How important is coach O in preparation, motivating, etc? He doesn't call the plays, but what does he do for preparation during the week and how much of that was to blame?
are we giving O credit for bad offense
quote:Pretty much the same thing here. Except Aranda has more authority than SE. But obviously O is responsible for the motivating factor.
Aranda credit for great defense?
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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I guess saban and kiffin sucked that game also? only scored 10 pts
well, yea
their offense was terrible and it took Kiffin 3.5 quarters to figure out that designed QB runs were better than Hurts throwing the ball at all
Kiffin sucked balls that game
you can still suck while going up against a quality team
both offenses were hard to watch
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:15 pm to Topwater Trout
He doesn't really get credit for either and that's the point.
Aranda is a beast. Ensminger isn't.
If all O can do is say "ok looks good" to the offense/defense plan then he isn't HC material.
Aranda is a beast. Ensminger isn't.
If all O can do is say "ok looks good" to the offense/defense plan then he isn't HC material.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:16 pm to SammyTiger
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If all O can do is say "ok looks good" to the offense/defense plan then he isn't HC material.
I'm picturing O saying this
it honestly seems realistic
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:16 pm to Tiger Tracker
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you gave him all the credit for the offense in the other games
link? I haven't done so. I give him credit for having his players motivated and keeping them fresh
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:17 pm to Topwater Trout
you're just enjoying playing the contrarian in all this
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:17 pm to SammyTiger
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If all O can do is say "ok looks good" to the offense/defense plan then he isn't HC material.
I don't understand how this concept is lost on so many people.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:20 pm to abellsujr
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It's impossible to determine this. How important is coach O in preparation,
I agree
quote:
motivating,
I think he is motivating the hell out of them
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but what does he do for preparation during the week and how much of that was to blame?
I would hope any head coach would be involved in the gameplan but still allow the oc to call the game. We are limited with our oline and etling...those are facts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:21 pm to cas4t
we are slow at work...I have never said O is my guy but I am enjoying the hell out of some football for the first time in 4-5 years
but I am enjoying the hell out of some football for the first time in 4-5 yearsPosted on 11/17/16 at 1:22 pm to tigerfan63
The worse part of that game was, we knew our Oline sucked, and we knew they were going to stack the box to contain LF.
Instead of trying plays that hide our weaknesses, we played right into their hands, like we have the past 4 years. No quick passes, no screens, no spread, no sweeps, no trick plays. OM, aTm, and Clemson have shown us how to score against Bama, but we ignored it completely.
Everyone is putting the failure on the Oline or Etling...but the coaching staff is 100% to blame for not adapting.
From the first offensive series, i knew we were doomed.
Instead of trying plays that hide our weaknesses, we played right into their hands, like we have the past 4 years. No quick passes, no screens, no spread, no sweeps, no trick plays. OM, aTm, and Clemson have shown us how to score against Bama, but we ignored it completely.
Everyone is putting the failure on the Oline or Etling...but the coaching staff is 100% to blame for not adapting.
From the first offensive series, i knew we were doomed.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:24 pm to Topwater Trout
I agree with that.
This is so much better than arguing over firing Miles with beefense.
This is so much better than arguing over firing Miles with beefense.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:24 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
link
You=O supporters in general.
quote:
I give him credit for having his players motivated and keeping them fresh
Which is not a good enough reason to keep him as HC.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:25 pm to SportTiger1
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Everyone is putting the failure on the Oline or Etling...but the coaching staff is 100% to blame for not adapting.
do you remember the play where our right tackle, maybe guard, was pancaked? our oline sucks.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:26 pm to cas4t
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beefense.
where are beefense, Choctaw, and the other miles lovers?
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:28 pm to Topwater Trout
pretty sure they downed their kool aid in unison and ascended into the heavens together
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:31 pm to cas4t
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heavens
That's not where that bunch went.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:35 pm to Topwater Trout
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or Ensminger did...or are we giving O credit for bad offense and Aranda credit for great defense?
When you're a "hands off, let my coordinators coordinate" kind of coach, you put yourself in a position to get most of the blame and little of the accolades. If they consistently mess up their jobs, ie offensive game plan against Bama or Tre White returning punts, it's the head coach's job to make the correction for them.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 1:35 pm to Stud Bud
to be fair, choc just tries to be a positive dude and beefense has a personality disorder
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 1:36 pm
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