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re: If UGA flames out in their first game, does that sour a potential run-heavy offense?
Posted on 12/11/21 at 9:52 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Posted on 12/11/21 at 9:52 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Should've, could've, would've. You don't know that. It's speculation. If you can show me a run dominant team the past decade who has won a NC I'll hang up and listen. The common theme is athletic QB with a very good offensive attack often running RPOs. It's not a coincidence the same theme for winners happens over and over. Teams like Georgia are too easy for defenses to key in on and this is modern NCAA no longer sees dominating defense. Stuff like slow mesh RPOs are very difficult to defend for a defense.
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Posted on 12/11/21 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah Kelly making a move to LSU to get titles made me think he was making more self analysis than what talent he can recruit. Some of that hope will be dampened if he's just repeating what he did at ND and hoping slightly better WRs and DBs will magically make the difference.
Coaches are notoriously stubborn… the truly greats will adapt.
Kelly strikes me as the stubborn type, but we’ll see.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 11:43 am to H-Town Tiger
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What you are describing has not worked in a very long time, they have changed the rules, we have learned new strategies. Your system was proven outdated by 2015 Coach Miles. The days of being able to just overwhelm teams physically are long gone.
Yet Georgia and Michigan are playing in the national playoff.
Damn, it's almost like you do t know what you're talking about.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 12:29 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Yet Georgia and Michigan are playing in the national playoff.
Damn, it's almost like you do t know what you're talking about.
Who was in the playoffs last year? 2019? 2018? 2017?
Also is it UGA's goal to just make the playoffs? You say they only weren't able to run over the best team, yet that team hasn't run the type of offense you say is the easiest to win with since 2013 or so. You ask what the service academies run but not what teams that have won the NC run
What you described earlier in the thread is a very antiquated view, its not used by the 4 teams that have made the playoffs the most.
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If you can run over people and choose not to be cause it's not sexy, you need to be fired. It's the easiest way to win.
Passing the ball is a great alternative, but there is no substitute for physically dominating the line of scrimmage and moving men against their will.
So UGA and UM can line up smash a bunch of patsies. UM beat tOSU this year, how has it gone in the recent past for them? and UGA can't beat the one team they have to.
This post was edited on 12/11/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/11/21 at 2:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
Bowl head Kirby is continuing to ride with a walk-on QB.
Kinda like Miles refusing to play Lee in the NCG.
No D fears a QB that can’t beat you.
Kinda like Miles refusing to play Lee in the NCG.
No D fears a QB that can’t beat you.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 3:14 pm to TexTgrTed
UW is known for running the ball and having a mediocre passing game.
During the Tressel era UW beat OSU now and then. Wasn't unusual.
Urbs came in and changed OSU's offense from ground based to a power spread. UW hasn't changed it's offensive style at all.
UW hasn't beaten OSU since 2011.
During the Tressel era UW beat OSU now and then. Wasn't unusual.
Urbs came in and changed OSU's offense from ground based to a power spread. UW hasn't changed it's offensive style at all.
UW hasn't beaten OSU since 2011.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 3:16 pm to BuckyCheese
Yep. The 2019 LSU NC never happens if O doesn’t move toward a more wide-open offense that Bammer & Klempson couldn’t stop.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 3:30 pm to TexTgrTed
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Kinda like Miles refusing to play Lee in the NCG.
I haven’t watched a lot of UGA but I guarantee their walk on QB was a billion times better than Lee was against Bama :lol/
Posted on 12/11/21 at 3:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
Wide open offenses in the national playoff: maybe Bama
Balanced/heavy run offenses in national playoff: 3 or 4
Joe Brady offense: fired
Jake Peetz Offense: fired
Being more physical than your opponent will never be obsolete.
Balanced/heavy run offenses in national playoff: 3 or 4
Joe Brady offense: fired
Jake Peetz Offense: fired
Being more physical than your opponent will never be obsolete.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 4:02 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Balanced/heavy run offenses in national playoff: 3 or 4
Clemson, tOSU, OU, LSU did not run the type of offense it sounds like you are advocating and it’s certainly not the same as UGA or UM. As SFP has said passing to set up the run is different than the playing in a phone booth like Les Miles preferred. Even teams like Baylor w Briles and Oregon under Chip Kelly were spread out runs, not pound it from the I.
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Being more physical than your opponent will never be obsolete.
Being physical and passing are not mutually exclusive
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Joe Brady offense: fired
In the pros, where the type of offense you suggest is even less likely to win and colleges are lining up to hire him.
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Jake Peetz Offense: fired
Just like Cam Cameron but at least Perez was An inexperienced first time OC. How many examples of OCs running your style getting fired would you like?
Saying 3 can happen when you pass and 2 are bad is so outdated and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding modern football and even risk.
This post was edited on 12/11/21 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 12/11/21 at 4:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Even teams like Baylor w Briles and Oregon under Chip Kelly were spread out runs, not pound it from the I.
This thread isn't just about Denbrock. It applies to Briles as well, fwiw. Kelly never won a ship either.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 4:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It applies to Briles as well, fwiw. Kelly never won a ship either.
He was also at a school with inferior talent/athletes overall especially on defense. Same applies to Briles. But I don’t think those offenses, while run heavy, are the same the UGA type offense.
I honestly don’t get how anyone can look at the example of LSU let alone Bama and continue to argue that what UGA or UM is doing is the best way to win
This post was edited on 12/11/21 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 12/11/21 at 6:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
it depends on how much the other team respects the passing game.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 7:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:they will beat that whore Hope like an Alabama sister-wife.
If UGA flames out in their first game, does that sour a potential run-heavy offense?
* ref'g SEC Shorts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:38 am to deuce985
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If you can show me a run dominant team the past decade who has won a NC
I’ll give you that it hasn’t happened since 2011/2012. FSU was pretty balanced but Jameis was obviously a major weapon.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 10:58 am to lowspark12
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Kelly strikes me as the stubborn type
complete opposite actually lol
he runs whatever works best for the players he brings on the field
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:26 pm to rocket31
Complete BS according to every ND fan I've talked to about CBK.
"Stubborn" was the word used more than any other.
I think the OP is right on, moving back to a power based, run-first offense, in this era of offensive football, would be a huge mistake. It would also be exactly the kind of move I expect Kelly to make.
"Stubborn" was the word used more than any other.
I think the OP is right on, moving back to a power based, run-first offense, in this era of offensive football, would be a huge mistake. It would also be exactly the kind of move I expect Kelly to make.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
UGA is running a majority of the time out of the Spread/RPO
Posted on 12/12/21 at 3:54 pm to deuce985
2015 Alabama
But you do need an NFL OL and RB to do it, and it helps to have a dominant Defense and be the most talented team in the country by a large margin
But you do need an NFL OL and RB to do it, and it helps to have a dominant Defense and be the most talented team in the country by a large margin
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:15 pm to SammyTiger
They had a RB on an historic run. Still in the NCG needed an insides kick, a KR for a TD and three for 335.
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