re: If UGA flames out in their first game, does that sour a potential run-heavy offense?

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blame UGA’s issues on JT Daniels being hurt and Kirby Smart being stubborn a

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This all day. Monken is a damn good OC one who should be a target

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I guess my proclamations in OP about the fanbase breaking from Stockholm Syndrome of the Les Miles era were wrong

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BeeFense and I had many slug outs on the rant over the stupid Miles offense. Every year the same things were said "ITS THE O-LINE! ITS THE QB! ITS THE WR CAN'T CATCH!"

All while watching teams with half the talent (Ole Miss) score 30-40 points on Bama yearly.

But when LSU played Bama they couldn't score shite and LSU fans would just convince themselves it was the INVINCIBLE NFL DEFENSE of Bama that was the key.

Even though over a 5 year span LSU was the only team in the SEC west to never score more than 10 points against Bama even though they were stacking NFL talent themselves only 2nd to Bama.


You won't out recruit Bama at OL or DL, so you MUST have a scheme to beat them. You're never going to blow them off the line of scrimmage. If Kelly thinks that's the path forward then were already folding against the likes of Bama.


Again, LSU has too many great skill position players to have a run-heavy smash football attack. It's old, tired, boring, and most of it all it clearly can't beat Bama.

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The LSU fanbase has literally just recovered from a decade of Stockholm Syndrome at the hands of Les Miles trying to tell us all that a run-heavy offense would still work in the modern CFB era. 2019 was a legitimate symbolic breaking of those mental shackles, especially when compared to the ultimate failure that was 2011 (primarily due to the run-heavy offense that ultimately failed when it was needed most).

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Another empty prediction of future disaster laced with hyperbole.

- Look at Cincy’s offensive stats from this season. They are the epitome of balance, both in total and in average.

- They have passed more over Ridder’s career as he has become more reliable and efficient as a passer.

- As a Memphis fan, I have seen a lot of Cincy over the last few years. Most people who haven’t been paying attention won’t see how much Ridder has been developed as a passer there. He was a dual-threat who depended heavily on his running ability who a good defense could shut down 3 years ago. He’s not that guy today. Shitty run-obsessed offensive coaches don’t develop QBs to this degree.

- You are once again buying the media guessing game narrative hook, line and sinker. Have they been right about anything yet? I get that Denbrock has history with Kelly, but that’s as much negative in how they finished up together as positive.

- Your theories on modern offense are completely over-simplified. Balance is the key. Bama’s offense has only been consistent and effective this year when they’ve been able to run the ball and achieve balance, including last weekend when they out-rushed UGA. Our 2019 offense didn’t hit high gear until CEH and the O Line got it together and achieved balance. Ole Miss has one of the top rushing offenses in the SEC and they were able to lean into that when their WR depth took a hit. Balance is the key to ANY effective offense. Balance is how an offense keeps a defense on hits heels and dictates the pace and tempo of the game, rather than the other way around.

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Your theories on modern offense are completely over-simplified. Balance is the key. Bama’s offense has only been consistent and effective this year when they’ve been able to run the ball and achieve balance, including last weekend when they out-rushed UGA. Our 2019 offense didn’t hit high gear until CEH and the O Line got it together and achieved balance. Ole Miss has one of the top rushing offenses in the SEC and they were able to lean into that when their WR depth took a hit. Balance is the key to ANY effective offense. Balance is how an offense keeps a defense on hits heels and dictates the pace and tempo of the game, rather than the other way around.

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This thread is how you achieve that balance. It's by passing first and allowing that to open up the running game.

That's not who Denbrock is.

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You are once again buying the media guessing game narrative hook, line and sinker.

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This thread doesn't automatically apply solely to Denbrock. He's not the only guy who wants to run first and run heavy.

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we absolutely need to make having a running game a priority.

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If you can throw for touchdowns, who cares about the running game? The idea is to score and score as much as possible as fast as possible. There's no rule you have to run a certain amount of yards to score.


Running the ball too much also limits your plays, it limits your home run plays that highly skilled WR can make, and it wears down your OL, WR, and running backs and doesn't work nearly as well against teams like Bama, Georgia, or TAMU.


Running when its a tactical advantage is fine, but this idea that you have to deliberately establish a Running game regardless of your team's strengths or the opponents weaknesses is stupid. That's what got Les Miles fired.

I remember multiple games in the Miles era where they'd be going against a horrible pass defense. Did LSU try to attack that through their NFL WR core? NO, they immediately smashed to the ground. Pounding their way to a win anyways. Works until you play a team that can slam the line equally as much or more.

You won't beat Bama with an "establish the run!" Attitude. That's a dead era. Time to move on. Somehow after 2019 people still cling to this mindset.

Any good HC and OC are going to play to the strengths of their players. They'll have an overall philosophy about offense but they need to be malleable and not stuck in their ways. You either evolve with the game or you watch it pass you by. BK is smart and hopefully the offense will be dictated by the talent in a given year.

I just want to see LSU play fundamentally sound complimentary football. Play smart, play disciplined and execute.

Not at all. You still have to have good threat at QB on 3rd and long. The QB play wasn't good against Bama. It still goes that you have to have a very good QB to be successful no matter if you are biased to the run or the pass.

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You still have to have good threat at QB on 3rd and long. The QB play wasn't good against Bama. It still goes that you have to have a very good QB to be successful no matter if you are biased to the run or the pass.

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As been stated for YEARS on here...a good offensive system can make a QB more effective. This idea that a good QB is a matter of talent and random chance is absurd.


Just look at guys like Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, or Drew Brees.

Guys that would have never been or were not hugely successful in the traditional pro-style offenses of the late 90s-2000s.


You know what the smart coaches did? They put these guys in an offense that ALLOWS them to be successful. They implemented a system that gets them space where they can be effective. You can actually control the effectiveness of your QB to a large extent. The idea that good QBs just pop out of the ground is absurd.

Les Miles absolutely killed any chance of a QB being any good from 2008-2016. Mettenberger had 2 amazing receivers and he still probably underperformed. Why did Les Miles have so many bad QBs? Because the offensive system he chose did not give them any chance to be successful. There were far less talented QBs on far less talented teams exploding all over the country because they were put in good systems.


Pick a good system for the QB to be successful, and everything else will flow, WR will get touches, running backs will have space, OL won't have to block for 10 years, and you will score a shite ton of points.

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I think yall do not relize that Lsu's 2019 offense was pretty balanced
53/47 pas to run ratio

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It makes a huge difference when you pose a credible passing threat, which LSU did.