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re: If UGA flames out in their first game, does that sour a potential run-heavy offense?
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:23 am to misey94
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:23 am to misey94
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LSU got up on Bama passing the ball in the first half in 2019, but go back and watch how we WON the game. When Bama got stops and caught up, CEH closed it out with the final TD and the final first down.
One could argue they got back in it because we got a little conservative. But I watched that game several times in the spring of 2020 in the early days of the pandemic. One play that really jumped out was the drive after Bama but the lead to 6. It was 3rd and 10 a Bama LB blitz thru untouched basically and JB dumped it off to CEH flat who made a great but DB meet him about 5 yds past the los and CEH dragged him 5+yards and got the first. That was the play that won it imo we went on to get a TD and lead was back to 13
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Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:25 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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You’re barking up the wrong tree putting down that team
They lost when it mattered most because of the offense.
People argued that year we could win it all as a run-dominant team. I argued that year it would not be enough. It was basically the exact same arguments as this thread.
I was proven right and the gap has only gotten bigger. Regular season success is fool's gold because when you face elite teams they can shut it down.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:26 am to deuce985
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Are you serious?
Yes. You’re letting one farce of a game that never should have happened cloud your memory of 12 dominations and 1 hard-fought battle.
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People argued that year we could win it all as a run-dominant team. I argued that year it would not be enough.
Well you were wrong because we beat every team on our schedule. And there’s no reason to believe it would have gone any differently had they given us fresh meat for the bowl.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 9:30 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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People argued that year we could win it all as a run-dominant team. I argued that year it would not be enough.
It would have been if we played Ok State. I’m very sympathetic to your views on offense, but the problem here you are predicting everything on Bama, the ultimate outlier. I get it, as long as Saban is there they are the team in the way, but it is warping everything. Kirby or 2011 LSU is only a “failure” for not beating the greatest coach and dynasty of all time.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 9:37 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:39 am to H-Town Tiger
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2011 LSU is only a “failure” for not beating the greatest coach and dynasty of all time.
What I can’t get through some people’s heads is that we did beat them, went undefeated and they whined enough to play us again in the bowl which was absurd. Nothing legitimate let alone “dynastic” about that.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:40 am to tiggerthetooth
I think I mostly agree. I’m in no way advocating for the return of Miles Ball.
I just want to know what we consider “pass heavy” or “run heavy.”
NCAA Total Offense
I looked at the above and ranked it by total yards. I realize that some rushing attempts are called passes where the QB scrambles but that will be true for all teams on the list.
Looking at total yards, it’s hard to find leaders that throw more than about low 50’s percent of the time unless you look at pure air raid teams. Some examples:
Mississippi State 72% pass
W. Kentucky 66% pass
Purdue 60% pass
Marshall 53% pass
Ohio State 53% pass
Bama 51% pass
LSU 51% pass
Cincinnati 46% pass
Ole Miss 42% pass
UGA 42% pass
UNC 42% pass
Which of these teams is “pass heavy” and which ones run the ball too much to be modern?
If we can define that then we can define what we want LSU to be on offense.
I just want to know what we consider “pass heavy” or “run heavy.”
NCAA Total Offense
I looked at the above and ranked it by total yards. I realize that some rushing attempts are called passes where the QB scrambles but that will be true for all teams on the list.
Looking at total yards, it’s hard to find leaders that throw more than about low 50’s percent of the time unless you look at pure air raid teams. Some examples:
Mississippi State 72% pass
W. Kentucky 66% pass
Purdue 60% pass
Marshall 53% pass
Ohio State 53% pass
Bama 51% pass
LSU 51% pass
Cincinnati 46% pass
Ole Miss 42% pass
UGA 42% pass
UNC 42% pass
Which of these teams is “pass heavy” and which ones run the ball too much to be modern?
If we can define that then we can define what we want LSU to be on offense.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:48 am to ForeverEllisHugh
I don’t think there should have been a rematch in 2011 because I don’t think (and argued in 2001 with Nebraska)that teams that don’t win their division (let alone conference) should not play for the NC. but your whining misses the point, even if you throw 2011 and 2017 out Bama has still won 4 of 13 and lost a grand total of 18 games since 2008, that’s pretty much the definition of dynasty. The point is they are calling these “failures” because they lost to the GOAT with the most stacked roster year after year
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:54 am to H-Town Tiger
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The point is they are calling these “failures” because they lost to the GOAT with the most stacked roster year
If lsu had a head coach with a brain this might not have ever been the case. Lsu fans constantly pat themselves on the back for being Bama punching bags and it's sad.
I clamored for YEARS for LSU to modernize its passing attack and the FIRST YEAR they do it they destroy Bama. Not coincidence. Bama struggled with Ole Miss for years and even A&M under Sumlin put up 40+ points.
Lsu lost because of stupid offense. End of story. Not because of some invincibility of Bama.
Bama matters because they're in your division in your conference. You don't win anything if you don't beat them.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:07 am to tiggerthetooth
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Lsu lost because of stupid offense. End of story. Not because of some invincibility of Bama.
Then explain the 2009 SECCG. Bama held Florida with Meyer and Tebow to 13 points. Was Meyer not running a “modern” offense? And Tebow was a freaking senior. The 2011 Bama D was basically the same only older. Facing reality is not “patting” myself on the back for losing, that’s just nonsense
Please note I’m not in any way defending Miles offense but the fact is we beat any other team in 2011 even with that shitty offense.
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clamored for YEARS for LSU to modernize its passing
So did I, so did a lot of people
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Bama struggled with Ole Miss for years
3 years in the row, since then they’ve basically throttled them including this year.
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even A&M under Sumlin put up 40+ points.
Only once, the 2nd and last year with Manziel
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:09 am to H-Town Tiger
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The point is they are calling these “failures” because they lost to the GOAT with the most stacked roster year after year
Well the flip side is LSU was so close so many times with a dino offense that even a moderately modern offense could have won a couple more titles.
2011 was just such a sticking point because Bama didn't even seem threatened in the 2011 title game. They knew they had us and our offense was 0 threat and all they had to do was neutralize a ST or defensive TD (which was our bread and butter for momentum in 2011) and it was over. Then, to really make it soul crushing, Miles adjusted 0
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well Kelly isn't exactly dynamic lately
His teams haven't been on the cutting edge of offense for over a decade
Dude left a job where he had a .750 record, playoff appearances and MNC game appearances to come coach in a pressure cooker. I trust that he’ll know what type of offense it’ll take to compete year in and year out for the SEC and beyond. His career rides on it. He wants natty’s.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Miles kept trying to force dual threat QBs into a pocket passing offense. Jordan Jefferson was actually a pretty good run threat but was rarely utilized in a way that would let him shine. And for an OL guy Miles didn't seem to see tackle and guard as different positions. I don't see Miles' era offenses as an indictment against competent, well-coached traditional offenses. My preference would be some variant of the spread but that doesn't mean the "pro-style" is necessarily dead.
FWIW, I think Gus' spread/power run offense would be very effective without his dubious play calling at critical moments.
FWIW, I think Gus' spread/power run offense would be very effective without his dubious play calling at critical moments.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 10:29 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well the flip side is LSU was so close so many times with a dino offense that even a moderately modern offense could have won a couple more titles.
You say that because that’s what you want to have happened but there’s no way to know. And it depends on the year
I know you will mention 2006 but that offense was not a “Dino” by 2006 standards. It’s the same basic philosophy Saban was running thru 2012 We finished 9 in ppg 11 in total yds and 18 passing yards (USC was 14 only 12 yds more by contrast). Yes we didn’t score many vs Auburn and UF 2 top 10 teams on the road but I refer you to the 2009 SECCG.
2012 we could have beat Bama at least if the “mad hatter” the so called riverboat gambler doesn’t puss out and goes for it on 4th down instead of attempting the meaningless FG that was missed anyway but does nothing for us even if he made it.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 11:01 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:35 am to shinerfan
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Miles kept trying to force dual threat QBs into a pocket passing offense. Jordan Jefferson
JJ was a pocket passer with a lot of athletic ability that Miles turned into a mobile QB
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:38 am to H-Town Tiger
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You say that because that’s what you want to have happened but there’s no way to know. And it depends on the year
I know you will mention 2006
I say that meaning post-2007...2010-2012 primarily
We went 10-2 in 2010 in the regular season and our primary QB had 1400 yards passing
2023 passing yards total 
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Georgia is run heavy because Bennett is a liability
Posted on 12/10/21 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
2010 I think we had 7 Passing TDs in the regular season, Burrow had 7 in the first half vs OU
Yeah 2010 was a complete joke of an offense would a better offense have beat Auburn? Who knows. Miles definitely went into the fetal position after 2008.
Yeah 2010 was a complete joke of an offense would a better offense have beat Auburn? Who knows. Miles definitely went into the fetal position after 2008.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 11:32 am to BBJ
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No, I sours playing a 188 lb walk on at QB
Is he really? I'm 6'1 190 and feel like I'd get fricking erased out there.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 11:35 am to Cosmo
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Georgia is run heavy because Bennett is a liability
That's not true. Some of that is philosophy and the fact they go 3 deep with elite backs. He doesn't have a rocket arm but can make most throws and will escape the pocket.
They would probably be more open with daniels but i don't think it would be a huge difference.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 11:41 am to shinerfan
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Jordan Jefferson was actually a pretty good run threat but was rarely utilized in a way that would let him shine.
Jordan Jefferson was a pro style QB coming out of high school. He was athletic but not a runner. He learned how to be a runner in his time at LSU.
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