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re: If UGA flames out in their first game, does that sour a potential run-heavy offense?
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Short answer is yes, and I have serious concerns about Kelly's current offensive philosophy. His offense at ND wasn't necessarily a "run-heavy" offense, but it did feature a lot of lateral movement with 2 TE sets and 6-7-man protection schemes. That's not going to work in the SEC. He needs to get back to his roots and dust off the old Cincy offense -- at least the philosophy if not the actual plays. Spread, tempo, timing, 5-man protection, attack the middle of the field vertically, use the backs as outlet receivers. In today's SEC, you win by getting your primary scorers in space.
JMHO, but I think we're seeing this the same way.
JMHO, but I think we're seeing this the same way.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 12:51 pm
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Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Jesus. Armchair coaches are ridiculous.
When you throw the ball, three things can happen and two are bad.
When you can line up and run over everybody, throwing is optional.
There is only one team in the COUNTRY Georgia hasn't run over and it happens to be the best team in the country. If their walk on QB doesn't throw interceptions, they are still in the game late.
If you can run over people and choose not to be cause it's not sexy, you need to be fired. It's the easiest way to win.
When you throw the ball, three things can happen and two are bad.
When you can line up and run over everybody, throwing is optional.
There is only one team in the COUNTRY Georgia hasn't run over and it happens to be the best team in the country. If their walk on QB doesn't throw interceptions, they are still in the game late.
If you can run over people and choose not to be cause it's not sexy, you need to be fired. It's the easiest way to win.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
I've had to watch every single UGA game the last 5 years because my in laws are all dawgs.
Kirby hasn't adopted at all to understanding you need an amazing QB and wide open offense to win.
He believes giving 4 different running backs involved with a milquetoast passing approach and then relying on good defense.
That approach just won't win you a championship.
Kirby hasn't adopted at all to understanding you need an amazing QB and wide open offense to win.
He believes giving 4 different running backs involved with a milquetoast passing approach and then relying on good defense.
That approach just won't win you a championship.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:16 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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When you throw the ball, three things can happen and two are bad.
Jesus go back to 1965 with this attitude
I could point you to data to prove how wrong this is but experience tells me people like don’t believe data especially when you have ancient cliches
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:23 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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If you can run over people and choose not to be cause it's not sexy, you need to be fired. It's the easiest way to win.
Tell me you haven’t watched football since 1979 without telling me you haven’t watched football since 1979
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not if you know anything about football.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:32 pm to TxTiger82
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His offense at ND wasn't necessarily a "run-heavy" offense, but it did feature a lot of lateral movement with 2 TE sets and 6-7-man protection schemes.
I hope this was more a product of skill position depth than it being the offense he wants regardless of personnel.
He has to know the skill position talent is plentiful which should allow him to change his offense to a more suitable form.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:32 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Tell me you haven’t watched football since 1979 without telling me you haven’t watched football since 1979
Why do you think "Run the Damn Ball Lane" was trending when Kiffen was at Bama?
Why did LSU play so close to Bama this year?
Why to the service academies run the ball instead of throw?
Because moving the ball on the ground is the best way to win. It demoralizes a defense, keeps the opposing offense off the field thereby limiting their snaps and making their margin for error much smaller, reduces risk, isn't weather dependent, etc etc etc
Passing the ball is a great alternative, but there is no substitute for physically dominating the line of scrimmage and moving men against their will.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I just fear that it's going to take a few years for him to realize that his run heavy preference isn't going to cut it.
It seriously blows my mind that you feel like you know more about CFB and what works than Brian Kelly does
The amount of ego you possess is insane
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:43 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Why do you think "Run the Damn Ball Lane" was trending when Kiffen was at Bama?
Because fans say something doesn’t make it correct or smart if your argument is what fans say on Twitter
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Why did LSU play so close to Bama this year?
Who won, the team with 6 yards rushing and 302 passing or the team that could not complete a pass for a TD at the end?
quote:. Because they don’t have talent and it’s easier to have a simple system regardless of the coach. Why don’t they win?
Why to the service academies run the ball instead of throw?
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Because moving the ball on the ground is the best way to win. It demoralizes a defense, keeps the opposing offense off the field thereby limiting their snaps and making their margin for error much smaller, reduces risk, isn't weather dependent, etc etc etc
See my comment above about data vs cliches
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Passing the ball is a great alternative, but there is no substitute for physically dominating the line of scrimmage and moving men against their will.
Tell me again you haven’t watched football since 1979
What you are describing has not worked in a very long time, they have changed the rules, we have learned new strategies. Your system was proven outdated by 2015 Coach Miles. The days of being able to just overwhelm teams physically are long gone.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/10/21 at 1:48 pm to jbraua
Reminder that the New England Patriots run a "vintage" power offense utilizing multiple tightends and the play action pass with Mac Jones and have been winning. They beat a high flying Bills team by running the ball 48x's right down their throats.
My point is that a power run offense is certainly viable in today's game. Both Michigan and Georgia run the ball down people's throats and both made the CFP Top 4. You'll never see football dominated by pass-happy offenses.
My point is that a power run offense is certainly viable in today's game. Both Michigan and Georgia run the ball down people's throats and both made the CFP Top 4. You'll never see football dominated by pass-happy offenses.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:01 pm to iBack8569
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They beat a high flying Bills team by running the ball 48x's right down their throats.
In 50 mph wind gusts. Context matters.
BB also won a playoff game a couple years ago where he did not run the ball a single time in the 2nd half.
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Both Michigan and Georgia run the ball down people's throats and both made the CFP Top 4
What does the program that has won 6 gunning for 7 titles in 14 years run?
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Your system was proven outdated by 2015 Coach Miles.
The Les Miles offensive shitshow didn't prove anything except his incompetence.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
As long as your QB is consistent enough to throw down field and not make stupid decisions to turn the ball over then a run heavy offense is great. Problem with UGA is Bennett is not the QB I just mentioned.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:19 pm to shinerfan
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The Les Miles offensive shitshow didn't prove anything except his incompetence.
This proves you are just biased. Miles “incompetence” was running an offense that was outdated and ineffective
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:19 pm to jbird7
They had Fromm and still couldn't get it done and he then regressed
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:33 pm to Magician2
They were close and prob should’ve won in 217 but to me that falls more on UGAs D than Fromm. Same with their rematch in 2018 SEC champ game.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
If UGA loses in the first game, it will be to a run-heavy Michigan team. Did you watch the Ohio St. game? (ETA: oh I see, that didn’t really happen because it wasn’t an SEC opponent)
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 12/10/21 at 3:03 pm to TheRouxGuru
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It seriously blows my mind that you feel like you know more about CFB and what works than Brian Kelly does
The amount of ego you possess is insane
Literally the same stuff was said about me re: Les for about 10 years. Now it's commonly accepted.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 3:06 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Why to the service academies run the ball instead of throw?
Inability to recruit talent.
What have the service academies won the past 30 years?
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Why did LSU play so close to Bama this year?
A shift in defense that completely disrupted Bama
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Because moving the ball on the ground is the best way to win.
If you can do it, sure. The problem is elite teams and elite talent can stop a good running game. You can't stop an elite passing game for an entire game.
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Passing the ball is a great alternative
It's the only alternative
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but there is no substitute for physically dominating the line of scrimmage and moving men against their will.
And if UGA can't do that this year, when they're clearly the most talented team in a down year of CFB, then what does that say about that philosophy?
At least with 2011 LSU, Bama was more talented so there was an excuse why we got so embarrassed in the title game. UGA doesn't have that excuse this year.
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