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re: If Riley says no so late that we lose Aranda, would that be considered a huge fail?
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
If we don’t get one of the top candidates then it’s a fail
We put the cart before the horse.
I think it would also spell the end of Woodward as he’d likely become disenchanted with LSU
We put the cart before the horse.
I think it would also spell the end of Woodward as he’d likely become disenchanted with LSU
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 1:51 pm
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
That's always been the risk, though now that he's practically out of the NC picture it's much less of a risk than waiting until January (which would've been absurd).
The earliest Riley could put pen to paper is after the Big 12 championship game.
But people said he was worth the risk, this is the risk, most of your other viable candidates may find their musical chairs before Riley turns us down.
Can't say he's worth the risk then call it a fail if it doesn't happen.
The earliest Riley could put pen to paper is after the Big 12 championship game.
But people said he was worth the risk, this is the risk, most of your other viable candidates may find their musical chairs before Riley turns us down.
Can't say he's worth the risk then call it a fail if it doesn't happen.This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:13 pm to koLSU86
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How is Aranda a bigger risk than Napier?
Because Napier has shown consistency and the ability to recruit. He's about to put together his third consecutive 10 win season at ULL.
I like what Aranda is doing, but whether he can maintain those types of results is yet to be seen, and his recruiting ability is a HUGE question mark.
Aranda is a great DC, but we've seen plenty of great coordinators make very poor head coaches.
Napier has a much larger sample size as a HC and has shown consistency over that sample size.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Thanks for the recap
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:16 pm to SportTiger1
hmm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
problem with napier is that he is gonna be in demand for other jobs.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:19 pm to UpToPar
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Aranda is a great DC, but we've seen plenty of great coordinators make very poor head coaches. Napier has a much larger sample size as a HC and has shown consistency over that sample size.
I agree he has a larger sample size, but we’ve also seen successful group of 5 coaches completely tank when they get their big job as well. I’d rather have a proven commodity on defense than a guy who is a risk and can’t show anything impressive on the side of the ball he’s known for.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
We won't know for about 5 years. 
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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would that be considered a huge fail?
I'm saying no, it wouldn't. This shite is super fluid man. Add the timing issues into it, coaches still coaching, might make the playoffs, out of the playoffs, current school offering raises and extensions...it's so many moving parts and Scott Woodward basically has to get lucky for this shite to work out for us. All he can do is put his biggest and best offer out there to the guy he really wants and I think we'd all agree that he's done that. He's basically at Riley's mercy now and that's gotta suck.
So I don't think it's a fail if Riley says no and Aranda accepts USC. The only way he fails is if he doesn't put his best foot forward for his favorite candidate.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Really hoping that Campbell is still in the mix if Riley says no. Campbell, Aranda, Napier - that’s a pretty nice set of options as plan B
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:24 pm to Tigerbait1977
Thanks 
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:27 pm to koLSU86
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but we’ve also seen successful group of 5 coaches completely tank when they get their big job as well.
Right, which is why I said both are risks.
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I’d rather have a proven commodity on defense than a guy who is a risk and can’t show anything impressive on the side of the ball he’s known for.
Baylor is ranked 46th in total defense this year.
ULL is ranked 47th in total offense.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Why are these the only two choices? Aranda’s defense was never like a Kirby smart elite d. It was good. We would have a hard time finding an OC.
What happened to guys like Brian Kelly, rhule, urban, Gundy, Campbell, etc?
Sounds like you baws are panicking because of our past. Literally nobody names a new coach before the end of the season.
What happened to guys like Brian Kelly, rhule, urban, Gundy, Campbell, etc?
Sounds like you baws are panicking because of our past. Literally nobody names a new coach before the end of the season.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:28 pm to 1999
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problem with napier is that he is gonna be in demand for other jobs.
If Napier feels he has a chance to get the LSU job, he will make TCU or anybody else wait. Don't forget agents are doing of lots of talking behind the scenes. I bet they have a good feel for how things are trending and whether there guy should wait around a little bit longer.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:30 pm to UpToPar
quote:That's just dumb. Risk is related to floor not ceiling. Given his current body of work Aranda has one of the highest floors of anyone.
I have Aranda above Napier on my wish list, but both are big risk, with Aranda being the bigger risk.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If Riley says no so late that we lose Aranda, would that be considered a huge fail?
If Aranda was Woodys #2 then absolutely.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:you have become such a vag as an actual adult.
SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yall need to get off Aranda’s nuts
There’s a huge drop off in coaching talent and skins on the wall from Riley to Aranda
There’s a huge drop off in coaching talent and skins on the wall from Riley to Aranda
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I have Riley as 1 and Aranda as 2 and I think that should be everyone's 1/2 these days, but there is a lot of smoke that Aranda and USC have mutual interest. I don't know if our window is very open for Aranda, and it appears Riley is dragging this out. If he does this on purpose and Woodward allows himself to be left hanging much longer, we're going to likely lose whatever shot we have left at Aranda.
What would you do?
Would you discard Riley right now assuming you could sign Aranda?
If not now, when?
You won’t have perfect information. So, when would you give up on your #1 to get your #2?
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think it’s a mistake to go after the likes of Jimbo, Riley, Dabo, etc.
I don’t think any of the true top coaches, those considered “proven” winners at a top program, want to leave one top program to go to another.
They’re already making a ton of money, and besides the money, the downside of jumping programs is bigger than the likely upside.
If you come to LSU and do anything less than win championships, at a superficial level, you look worse than Miles and Orgeron.
Maybe the only thing worse than following a legend is following a buffoon who won a national championship.
I don’t think any of the true top coaches, those considered “proven” winners at a top program, want to leave one top program to go to another.
They’re already making a ton of money, and besides the money, the downside of jumping programs is bigger than the likely upside.
If you come to LSU and do anything less than win championships, at a superficial level, you look worse than Miles and Orgeron.
Maybe the only thing worse than following a legend is following a buffoon who won a national championship.
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