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re: FWIW Update (Coaching Stuff)

Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:51 am to
Posted by Grasshopper
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:51 am to
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disclaimer: do I believe him? Yes, 100% with all of my heart and soul.


Please 7 pound 8 oz sweet baby Jesus.
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Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11566 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:01 pm to
Jimbo without Jameis Winston is losing more games to inferior opponents than he should.

Herman > Jimbo.
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:16 pm to
Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
1072 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:38 pm to
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Jimbo without Jameis Winston is losing more games to inferior opponents than he should.


What if Greg Ward is Herman's Jamies, in terms of wins/losses? Do we wait until we see Herman win with his own recruits?
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:41 pm to
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What if Greg Ward is Herman's Jamies


Didn't he actually make greg ward a QB? Wasn't he recruited as a WR? Pretty impressive coaching "vision", imo.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102447 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:45 pm to
No. Ward was playing QB 2 years before Herman got there. Ward was a high school QB, recruited as a WR. He's more QB than he ever was a WR.

He threw for 2000 yards and rushed for near 600 in 2014.
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Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
22119 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:51 pm to
Herman coached 3 QBs at ohio state in one season en route to a national title. Color me impressed.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:53 pm to
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. I see, now, he was a WR and QB in his earlier years at UH. Do you feel Herman progressed him in to what he is, or he was always going to be that good?
Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
1072 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:53 pm to
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Didn't he actually make greg ward a QB? Wasn't he recruited as a WR? Pretty impressive coaching "vision", imo.


Well actually he played QB and receiver. As a sophomore he played receiver. His high school career is below per Wikipedia.

"Greg Ward attended John Tyler High School in Tyler, Texas. As a senior he passed for 4,202 yards and 39 touchdowns with 861 rushing yards and 13 touchdowns. As a junior he threw for 3,596 yards and 32 touchdowns and rushed for 1,212 yards with 18 touchdowns. He played wide receiver his sophomore year and recorded 53 receptions for 667 yards with eight touchdowns."

Not arguing that Herman has done well with him, but Greg Ward has a lot of talent. And I am not arguing against Herman. Just making a point regarding Jimbo. I think Jimbo's success, or lack of, had more to do with his Defensive Coordinators, which he is accountable for, than his QB. Jimbo has always been able squeeze all the juice out of his QB's.

Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:59 pm to
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I think Jimbo's success, or lack of, had more to do with his Defensive Coordinators, which he is accountable for, than his QB. Jimbo has always been able squeeze all the juice out of his QB's.


Agree 100%. I know you can't do this to a new HC, but if it's Jimbo (or anyone else for that matter) I hope he does whatever it takes to keep Aranda, until he leaves for an HC job.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102447 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:02 pm to
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Do you feel Herman progressed him in to what he is, or he was always going to be that good?


I can't claim to be overly familiar with Ward's career but he was a very good high school QB..Just didn't get the looks from colleges due to his size (Lindsey Scott anyone?)

Just based on the stats, (2000 passing 600 rushing as a sophomore) he seemed to already be doing good things before Herman arrived. It so happened that Herman's offense was a good fit for Ward and he really blew up as a junior.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
92347 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:03 pm to
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Coach O is a better option than Jimbo.




This proves to me you know absolutely NOTHING about football nor have you watched any football.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29862 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:06 pm to
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This proves to me you know absolutely NOTHING about football nor have you watched any football.


Don't you find it fascinating how people are clamoring for a 10-25 coach over a guy who won an NC 3 years ago?

I just dont even know what to say any more.
Posted by TSmith
New Orleans, La.
Member since Jan 2004
2357 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:08 pm to
It's the same mentality that got us 3 terms of Edwin Edwards. Clever guy, big personality, talks funny, etc...
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29862 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:30 pm to
Good analogy.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:51 pm to
some folks "opinions" are a joke.

If I had a say I'd go:

1. Jimbo. Known commodity. recruits well. knows the state and program. Loves LSU IMO. If he wants the job it's his.

2. Herman. Always scares me getting the "hot" coach from a program like Houston. Southern Miss and Curley ruined me forever on those kind of guys.

3. Mich St coach. I'm not trying to spell his name. Only concern for me is recruiting in this area. Being able to recruit is a HUGE part of this job.

4. Coach O. Depends on how things play out. Can certainly recruit LA and other areas. Maybe keeps Aranda here. With the right OC and mindset (meaning he stays out of the way...sound familiar?) I think he could be a huge success here. OC and DC would be huge. I think if he knows how to be more of a CEO and less of a hands on coach might work. I do think the risk is less with him than others. It might be the LA Edwin Edwards syndrome in me (FWIW I never voted for Edwards. Wasn't in LA for the crook vs KKK racist race).

5. Petrino I guess. Recruiting is my main concern. Dude never has a defense. Can't seem to recruit that side of the ball well enough for LSU IMO. Defense has and always will be LSU's calling card. I just don't think he fits.


I like some of the other names mentioned. Gase is interesting but Miami is a shitshow and I don't think they or he gives up after one season.

In a perfect world I want a young proven Power 5 coach. That is a pipedream but that's what we all want correct??? and someone who wants LSU to be great and wants to be here.
Posted by 31TIGERS
Mike’s habitat
Member since Dec 2004
7219 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 3:29 pm to
FWIW I had lunch with a sales rep that calls on me. I know the gentleman personally. Anyway, his father in law is "high up" on the food chain in the TAF,.........
The LSU admin. like Orgeron a bunch but one of their worries is if he wins out or makes a good showing, how will they sell that to the fans. Regardless, they will do whatever they can to keep O around. Also said money is NOT an issue with the coaching search. Again, take that for what it's worth.
Posted by LSU Fan Forever 13
Shreveport
Member since Aug 2005
4303 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:05 pm to
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if he wins out or makes a good showing, how will they sell that to the fans.


As in bringing him on as the new HC? Or passing him over for someone more qualified since money will not be an issue. Because if money is truly not an issue there are a few coaches they should MAKE say no first before introducing O as new HC despite what happens the rest of this season. I do agree they should do whatever it takes to retain him after hiring the next HC though.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29862 posts
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:22 pm to
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like Orgeron a bunch but one of their worries is if he wins out or makes a good showing, how will they sell that to the fans.


i honestly hate to even tell you this so that it doesnt get back to people that matter, but it's very obvious that many many many fans would love to have O.

tell TAF Sporttiger1 is not in that group please.
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