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Posted on 12/8/21 at 8:43 pm to DBG
It is pretty telling he only wanted to coach the cb's and not all the db's as a whole. Him and Mickey I view the same, great recruiters, lazy coaches. The real downside to this is this cycles recruiting class is likely to completely fall apart.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 8:48 pm to TigerFlask
[quote]Everybody is replaceable.
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Maybe in time
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Maybe in time
Posted on 12/8/21 at 8:56 pm to DBG
Worth noting that after 2011 we were terrible some years on the DL. We even played a few games with zero rotation with DL because we only had 4 (Orgeron's first year? Interim 2016?).
And a DB's best friend is a good DL.
Having said that... Raymond's best years were those years.
It blow my mind as the DL was rebuilt the DBs performance dropped. I'm not saying that's all on Raymond because it isn't (what happened in 2020- new DC named Pelini after Aranda). But it is the opposite of one would expect to see.
And a DB's best friend is a good DL.
Having said that... Raymond's best years were those years.
It blow my mind as the DL was rebuilt the DBs performance dropped. I'm not saying that's all on Raymond because it isn't (what happened in 2020- new DC named Pelini after Aranda). But it is the opposite of one would expect to see.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 9:04 pm to DBG
I'm not saying you're wrong, but LSU's 2020/2021 categories just about all trend that way
Posted on 12/8/21 at 9:09 pm to DBG
Trying to pin 2020 and 2021 on Raymond is fertilizer. I think Raymond has earned his reputation. Great coach.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 9:16 pm to c on z
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Louisiana has so many athletes on defense that Ron cooper could stack a defensive backfield by solely showing up at camp and picking his guys.
Ron Cooper was also weak as a recruiter.
Which is my point.
Ron cooper literally could lie about going on recruiting visits and go to a camp and pick up a couple random athletes and we had an elite secondary. That’s how easy it is to recruit DBs at LSU.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 9:46 pm to DBG
This is Corey Raymond’s recruiting history. He is not the great recruiter that people make him out to be
2011 David Jenkins, 4 Star
Jalen Collins, 3 Star
Ronald Martin, 3 Star
2012 Dwayne Thomas, 4 Star
Derrick Raymond, 4 Star
Jerqwinick Sandolph, 3 Star
Jalen Mills, 3 Star
2013 Tre’Davious White, 4 Star
Jeryl Brazil, 4 Star
Rashard Robinson, 4 Star
2014 None Signed
2015 Kevin Tolliver, 5 Star
Xavier Lewis, 4 Star
2016 Kristian Fulton, 5 Star
Saivion Smith, 4 Star
Greedy Williams, 4 Star
2017 Kary Vincent, 4 Star
2018 Kelvin Joseph, 4 Star but he was recruited as a safety
2019 Derek Stingley, 5 Star
Maurice Hampton, 4 Star
Jay Ward, 3 Star
Cordale Flott, 3 Star
2020 Eli Ricks, 5 Star
Dwight McGlothern, 4 Star
Darren Evans, Transfer
2021 Damarius McGhee, 4 Star
2022 Laterrance Welch, 4 Star
JaDarian Rhym, 4 Star
2011 David Jenkins, 4 Star
Jalen Collins, 3 Star
Ronald Martin, 3 Star
2012 Dwayne Thomas, 4 Star
Derrick Raymond, 4 Star
Jerqwinick Sandolph, 3 Star
Jalen Mills, 3 Star
2013 Tre’Davious White, 4 Star
Jeryl Brazil, 4 Star
Rashard Robinson, 4 Star
2014 None Signed
2015 Kevin Tolliver, 5 Star
Xavier Lewis, 4 Star
2016 Kristian Fulton, 5 Star
Saivion Smith, 4 Star
Greedy Williams, 4 Star
2017 Kary Vincent, 4 Star
2018 Kelvin Joseph, 4 Star but he was recruited as a safety
2019 Derek Stingley, 5 Star
Maurice Hampton, 4 Star
Jay Ward, 3 Star
Cordale Flott, 3 Star
2020 Eli Ricks, 5 Star
Dwight McGlothern, 4 Star
Darren Evans, Transfer
2021 Damarius McGhee, 4 Star
2022 Laterrance Welch, 4 Star
JaDarian Rhym, 4 Star
Posted on 12/8/21 at 9:47 pm to Tigersonfire
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2019-54th
2020- last in country
2021- 68th
CR had nothing to do with the play calling by Bo Pellini.
Don't put 2020 on him.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 9:48 pm to Tigersonfire
quote:
2019-54th
2020- last in country
2021- 68th
CR had nothing to do with the play calling by Bo Pellini.
Don't put 2020 on him. Players did not seem to know where they were supposed to be on many plays. The defense was atrocious. I place majority of it on Bo.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 9:51 pm to DBG
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But let’s be subjective, when was the last LSU secondary that you would consider elite? Stats say 3 years ago, what do you think?
The defensive coordinator has more to do with that than a cornerbacks coach.
He didn't even coach safeties the last 3 years. Corners only.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 10:17 pm to macaoidh
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We're 121st and 91st in pass defense the last two years.
I hope one day, some time from now, everyone can look back & understand the affect that the players LSU lost after 2019 & the ones that sat out 2020 (along with Covid) completely tore down the base of the program. And understand that coaches with terrific track records all of a sudden did not become trash.
I’m looking at Tommy Moffit, who has already been steamrolled. And now Corey Raymond
Posted on 12/8/21 at 10:21 pm to Lester Earl
Yet, the peer elite programs seemed to avoid .500 seasons…….only lsu imploded.
Hmmmmmm
Hmmmmmm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 10:30 pm to CharlesLSU
Read my post again. You are the target audience. You don’t understand
Posted on 12/8/21 at 10:38 pm to Miketheseventh
Looks like a pretty strong list to me. Is there another DB coach who's done better?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 10:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not when you're one of the best recruiters in the country.
LSU could just hire one of the best recruiters in the country.
Oh wait…BK did just hire one of the best recruiters in the country.
Hate to see Raymond go but LSU will be fine.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 10:42 pm to DBG
Losing Raymond to UF is a double whammy. Not only do we lose him, but now we have to fight him for the top DB’s every year.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 11:40 pm to Miketheseventh
quote:Dude, that's alot of NFLers. That's pretty damn strong list there.
This is Corey Raymond’s recruiting history.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 11:49 pm to Miketheseventh
17/22 players up until 2020 have or will play in the nfl.
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