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re: Blueprint for Coach O if retained.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:12 pm to Random LSU Hero
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:12 pm to Random LSU Hero
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I heard he's selling hard to name him ASAP so he can lock in some great recuits to finish the class with a bang.
This is comical. In no way should LSU rush this decision in order to finish a single recruiting class off "with a bang." If we get a quality coach, our recruiting will be fine. Getting the right coach is far more important than any one recruiting class.
Also, retaining Orgeron because he plans to have two coordinators that will both be head coaches by 2018 is ill-conceived. What will we do after that? Do it again? And again?
What if we hired a coach that didn't solely rely on having the best coordinators in college football? That would be nice.
ETA: LSU should hire the best coach available. That, almost certainly, is not Orgeron.
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 3:14 pm
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Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:12 pm to Random LSU Hero
I stand by my statement that I don't care if O wins out, you interview him just like all the other candidates.
If he's the best hire available, then you go with him.
All this talk of O not beating Bama and still getting the job is just foolish talk. He needs to win out to at least be in talks to get the job.
Otherwise, this is a CHEAP hire.
If he's the best hire available, then you go with him.
All this talk of O not beating Bama and still getting the job is just foolish talk. He needs to win out to at least be in talks to get the job.
Otherwise, this is a CHEAP hire.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:15 pm to lsufan251875
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Am I the only one who thinks Kiffin is grossly overrated as a playcaller?
A resounding YES.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:19 pm to lsufan251875
quote:their leading rusher gets 87 yards a game, and Hurts cant throw the ball more than 20 yards if you ever plan on finding it again, but bama still has the number 1 scoring and total offense in the SEC.
Am I the only one who thinks Kiffin is grossly overrated as a playcaller?
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:20 pm to Ironhead985
A couple of weeks ago Random said he got a text that O was pushing the right buttons. I didn't believe that, however, minutes later I got a text stating they were going to gauge Kiffin's interest. I then believed Random and started a Post he was right.
You can try to rationalize why Kiffin wouldn't come all you want. Bama has great players, pays more, etc. At the end of the day, these two are like brothers. LSU pays as much for O.C. as a lot of small schools head coaches. I believe the only way Kiffin doesn't come with O is if he get's a big H.C. gig. Otherwise, he's coming.
You can try to rationalize why Kiffin wouldn't come all you want. Bama has great players, pays more, etc. At the end of the day, these two are like brothers. LSU pays as much for O.C. as a lot of small schools head coaches. I believe the only way Kiffin doesn't come with O is if he get's a big H.C. gig. Otherwise, he's coming.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:21 pm to Random LSU Hero
Mediocrity finna set in. No way Aranda stays forever, and Kiffin will eventually bounce at the right job.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:21 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
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Also, retaining Orgeron because he plans to have two coordinators that will both be head coaches by 2018 is ill-conceived. What will we do after that? Do it again? And again?
The people that want Orgeron hired right now don't care about the future. All that matters to them is what's happening right now.
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:23 pm to Random LSU Hero
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Coach O is fine with making significantly less than Les made and allocating more money to the coordinators. I heard he's selling hard to name him ASAP
ugh
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:23 pm to KyrieElaison
quote:my only issue there is Aranda, I dont want him to feel frozen out, like hes not on equal footing as the OC, because in reality hes the best coach out of all of them.
I'm all in for O and would love Kiffin but a lesson from the Les/Cam fiasco is don't hire your buddies because they're hard to fire.
from what we've seen so far (and obviously that could change based on the next month) retaining him is my number 1 priority, even if it means making him HC. the dude is a savant.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:25 pm to BilJ
so no one sees it at as a giant red flag that he's willing to make less than the guy we ousted so that we can pay coordinators to prop him up? Nothing? Jesus
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:26 pm to Random LSU Hero
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I heard he's selling hard to name him ASAP so he can lock in some great recuits to finish the class with a ban
Ya think?
I've been pushing my company to make me CEO for a while. They need to do it before i leave.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:27 pm to More beer please
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Seems pretty clear LSU has put all their eggs in the CEO basket and are banking on him winning out or at least the only loss to bama.
That's one possible explanation....
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:29 pm to Random LSU Hero
We're fricked.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:32 pm to KwoodTiger
Your post probably wasn't meant for my question. I was asking about Lane Kiffin's desire to be a head coach again.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:33 pm to BilJ
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so no one sees it at as a giant red flag that he's willing to make less than the guy we ousted so that we can pay coordinators to prop him up? Nothing? Jesus
I'm against O as the head coach but this statement holds true to who Ed would be as a HC. He needs great DCs and OCs and would be the quintessential definition of CEO type coach, in that he has no true specialty. He will always have to delegate. This statement holds true to that and Ed is at least cognizant enough to know he can be reaching for a high salary for himself and the staff he would require. So far, he is saying and doing everything right as the interim guy. His ability to make staff decisions past Aranda and Kiffin are the biggest question marks I have for him.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:35 pm to bamasgot13
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if he were to stay at Bama he'd be doing so with Hurts at QB, 4 of 5 o-linemen returning, Ridley back, the top 4 rushers returning, etc. He's set up well at Bama. That's not even to mention that he'd get a bump to $1.5M this off season at Bama if he didn't take a HC job first.
He's set up well there. It doesn't mean he's happy there. A boss who regularly chews his arse on the sidelines probably isn't the most enjoyable thing about his job. I think Alabama OC to LSU OC is a lateral move. In this case it would be a move to a similar caliber job and coaching under his buddy. Maybe that's worth something to Kiffin.
Getting an arse chewing with a 28 point lead and 46 seconds left?
Full disclosure though, I think Kiffin is either a head coach next year or Alabama's OC. Nothing else. I anticipate him leaving for a head coaching gig which is why Sark was brought in.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:36 pm to BilJ
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so no one sees it at as a giant red flag that he's willing to make less than the guy we ousted so that we can pay coordinators to prop him up? Nothing? Jesus
Of course it's a red flag. What kind of quality HC takes anything less than the absolute most he can command?
It's because he knows he's lucky to even be up for this job and he wants to hire all of the help he can get so he's not exposed.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:37 pm to Random LSU Hero
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"there's a big name offensive mind that he would go after
Art Briles?
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:40 pm to BilJ
quote:Harbaugh did the exact same thing
so no one sees it at as a giant red flag that he's willing to make less than the guy we ousted so that we can pay coordinators to prop him up? Nothing? Jesus
second link
Posted on 10/27/16 at 3:40 pm to Goldrush25
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What kind of quality HC takes anything less than the absolute most he can command?
Ehh. I don't make a whole lot of that part. O wants the job and knows it plays into his favor to take $2-3 million against the $5 or $6 million plus buyouts LSU would have to pay for a Jimbo or Herman. I'd figure his thinking is $2-3 million is great money. Then once he gets the job, he'll get the chance to prove his worth and up his salary in renegotiations.
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 3:42 pm
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