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Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:31 pm to NIH
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Just seems pretty suspicious to me that right after Coldhands kills a few men from the Night's Watch conveniently north of the Wall, and somehow returns with pig meat, the animal most similar to us, I can only conclude that Coldhands killed them and then fed
I don't think he's a Thenn, just a gu taking care of some hungry kids and being practical. When you're starving, meat is meat. They definitely ate the mutineers.
As for the Great Other, I don't see that being a corporeal being, just like we don't expect to see R'hollor walking about. I also believe that Vary's bits were sacrificed to the great other. Until last night, I thought that was what was happening with Craster's sons; now I'm not sure what to think.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:36 pm to NIH
I'm going to have to watch it. 
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:38 pm to ffishstik
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As for the Great Other, I don't see that being a corporeal being, just like we don't expect to see R'hollor walking about.
That's my view of it too.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:39 pm to ffishstik
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As for the Great Other, I don't see that being a corporeal being, just like we don't expect to see R'hollor walking about. I also believe that Vary's bits were sacrificed to the great other. Until last night, I thought that was what was happening with Craster's sons; now I'm not sure what to think.
I honestly don't think that my version of "The Great Other" and Melisandre's are the same. Something must have formed the Others, and I think its' essence is still alive. Personally, I think Dany will destroy it and sacrifice herself in doing so, and the Others will be definitively destroyed.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:41 pm to OMLandshark
have yall seen that theory that patches is a prophet of hte drowned god and that he will slice open shireen and spread greyscale amongst all the NW?
someone told me about it today and i have never heard of it, but it sounds cool
someone told me about it today and i have never heard of it, but it sounds cool
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:46 pm to Cosmo
Is that gif Tom Hanks in You've Got Mail?? 
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:48 pm to Carson123987
I've heard that theory before and it was really creepy. I have no idea how if that does happen what they'd do in the show since Patchface isn't in it...he's so fricking creepy and in S3 when they gave the song to Shireen to sing... 
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:50 pm to ladytiger118
yeah hes creepy as frick. melisandre had that bad dream about him
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:58 pm to Carson123987
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have yall seen that theory that patches is a prophet of hte drowned god and that he will slice open shireen and spread greyscale amongst all the NW?
someone told me about it today and i have never heard of it, but it sounds cool
That would just be weird. Even for GoT. On that subject though, one of my favorite parts of the books was how they had many different prophecies from people associated with the different religions and backgrounds. And they all had some accurate information (though usually in that aggravating witches in McBeth riddling way). Let's see, we've had:
1- Patchface
2- Maggie the Frog
3- Melisande
4- House of Undying
5- The old lady on that island
6- Jojen and Bran?
7- sure I'm missing some.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:06 pm to ladytiger118
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I'm going to have to watch it.
Already making plans for New Orleans I see.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:16 pm to Methuselah
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Patchface is the fricking scariest dude in all of Westeros tbqh - here is a good thread with Patchface theories (it’s at westeros.org just as a warning)
He’s clearly a prophet, “reborn” like the Damphair (he predicted the Red Wedding, among other things), and since Melisandre tells us that the Drowned God is a form of the Other we can squarely place him on the “Ice” side of the series’ central conflict.
So Patchface is an agent for the Other; his position in Stannis’ court puts him in direct contrast to Melisandre, the agent for R’hllor. Melisandre even says that she sees something terrible coming to do with Patchface, and that it would be better off to kill him.
Patchface is connected to Shireen, Shireen has greyscale, we’re told constantly in ADWD that greyscale is bad, that it’s a form of living death, that it doesn’t ever stop once it’s inside someone - basically what we’re told is that Shireen is a walking biological weapon. Shireen dreams of being eaten; Melisandre sees Patchface with blood red lips.
Yeah. Patchface has been sent back by the Drowned God to unleash greyscale, killing everyone and turning them into wights. I KNOW, I KNOW, OH OH OH
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:24 pm to PsychTiger
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:44 pm to OMLandshark
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Do we have much evidence of the Others period? What we do have evidence of is of them turning a live human into one of them. Why couldn't they do the same to another one. And before you say "Why don't they take other people?" whose to say they haven't? We have no idea on their actual numbers. Anything we say about the Others is basically a shot in the dark, so I don't see why your evidence is any better than ours.
We would know if they were taking wildling babies, and they aren't. I just stated that we have heard or witnessed zero women turned. While we have generations of baby boys as well as the nights king who have been turned. Sorry but at this point I'm not willing to say there is no reasoning behind only baby boys being turned. To this point GRRM has given meaning to virtually everything, I see no reason to believe there isn't a reason only boys are taken. And there definitely is a reason that wildling babies aren't taken while craster's are.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:51 am to Carson123987
Patchface creeps me the frick out. I'm glad they left him out of the show.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:40 am to skirpnasty
Exactly; but how did Craster make this pact in the first place?? We can assume this has been going on for a long time. The Wildlings know the Others are a threat and why they've been heading South. But how long have the Others been "back" beyond the Wall--perhaps longer than the Prologue of AGoT??
Posted on 4/29/14 at 8:33 am to Carson123987
I agree that Patchface is some kind of prophet/seer for the drowned god and Mel's visions of him w/ blood on his lips and Shireen dreaming of being eaten is pretty straight forward. And you brought up her being a walking biological weapon which I hadnt thought of. Not sure i agree that its THAT contagious but not sure i dissagree either
But it seems to be a general concensus amoung book readers that Patchface is bad/will play a large role in something bad. If thats the case, why was he left out of the show/who is replacing him? There doesnt seem to be anyone at Dragonstone who could take his place or anyone at the wall (where Stannis will soon be going).
So i guess my real question is, since Patches isnt in the show, does that imply we have overblown his importance in the books? Or is greyscale bad enough on its own it doesnt require any kind of accelerant from some kind of prophet? Implying that Shireen's body can cause enough havoc on its own? But then that opens a whole new Jon Connington can of worms (he could infect fake Aegon or something like that).
This is my first post in this thread and it kinda ran away from me.
But it seems to be a general concensus amoung book readers that Patchface is bad/will play a large role in something bad. If thats the case, why was he left out of the show/who is replacing him? There doesnt seem to be anyone at Dragonstone who could take his place or anyone at the wall (where Stannis will soon be going).
So i guess my real question is, since Patches isnt in the show, does that imply we have overblown his importance in the books? Or is greyscale bad enough on its own it doesnt require any kind of accelerant from some kind of prophet? Implying that Shireen's body can cause enough havoc on its own? But then that opens a whole new Jon Connington can of worms (he could infect fake Aegon or something like that).
This is my first post in this thread and it kinda ran away from me.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:16 am to Barney Rubble
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But then that opens a whole new Jon Connington can of worms (he could infect fake Aegon or something like that).
That can is already open, but interestingly I haven't seen it discussed here. Supposedly it isn't always fatal in children and can be stopped, but Val says that's BS and that they should have killed Shireen. Nowhere in the books does it say that it isn't fatal or contagious in adults, though, so Connington is risking a lot with his secret.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:35 am to ffishstik
I've always thought since finishing ADWD that JonCon and Shireen are going to spark a Greyscale plague in Westeros and that Dany and her people are going to bring the Pale Mare to Westeros.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:41 am to ladytiger118
Grey Scale, Pale Mare and White Walkers? Damn! Half of Westeros will be dead, not to mention monochromatic.
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