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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:22 pm to
Posted by putt23
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:22 pm to
At the Wall, when gazing into the fires, Melisandre sees a wooden face, corpse white, a thousand red eyes, and a boy with a wolf's head beside him. She thinks to herself that they must be the Great Other's champions, as King Stannis is hers. [3]

Further evidence in the text ties the Last Greenseer, Bloodraven, the Old Gods, and Bran Stark to the theme of darkness that draws The Great Other into opposition with R'hllor. The vision of Melisandre pointing towards Bloodraven and Bran as champions of The Great Other is corroborated in this exchange:

“ There he sat, listening to the hoarse whispers of his teacher. 'Never fear the darkness, Bran.' The lord's words were accompanied by a faint rustling of wood and leaf, a slight twisting of his head. "The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong." [4] ”

In an apparent paradox, on one hand the attractive Melisandre and her "Lord of Light" R'hllor clearly display "evil" practices such as human sacrifice in their magic. On the other hand, the twisted Bloodraven and broken Bran (a universally sympathetic character) use the darkness as their ally to merge with nature and apparently aid the forces of "good." However, the true motivations of Bloodraven and the children of the forest are not yet apparent. Such devices of anti-achetype are hallmarks of the series.

Pulled this from Westeros
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:27 pm to
frick Mel so I am on team the great other
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:34 pm to
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Well do you think he's Coldhands? I always think he is, cause I didn't imagine him surviving if he wasn't


Coldhands perplexes me, but I don't think he is.
Posted by putt23
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:42 pm to
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Coldhands perplexes me, but I don't think he is.


It drives me crazy. I know TCOF said Coldhands died a long time ago and that. I guess I want it to be Benjen. The character was cool even though he was just in the book a little bit, and the actor playing Benjen looked cool.

I guess when/if they introduce Coldhands in the show and he looks like Benjen we'll know. Now if a different actor is cast and later on we find out it's Benjen that'd be pretty weak
Posted by BlackleafBaller
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:46 pm to
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In an apparent paradox, on one hand the attractive Melisandre and her "Lord of Light" R'hllor clearly display "evil" practices such as human sacrifice in their magic. On the other hand, the twisted Bloodraven and broken Bran (a universally sympathetic character) use the darkness as their ally to merge with nature and apparently aid the forces of "good." However, the true motivations of Bloodraven and the children of the forest are not yet apparent. Such devices of anti-achetype are hallmarks of the series.


True, but we're not sure what happened to Jojen yet as he may also have been sacrificed to enhance Bran's abilities.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:50 pm to
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Are we watching/reading the same thing? Where do you get this?


Have you seen any evidence of anyone else being turned? The night's king and his watch, along with craster's sons are the only recorded cases of WW's turning live humans. The night's king also sacrificed to the others.

We have no evidence of women being turned or evidence of non night's watch men being turned. An argument could be made that they only turn former men of the night's watch and their offspring, or oathbreakers if you will.

I am spitballing but it looks as if only night's watch and their "unholy sacrifices" can become others.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 6:58 pm
Posted by putt23
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:55 pm to
Do you mean turned to WW, or Wights as well?
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:56 pm to
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Do you mean turned to WW, or Wights as well?


WW. Wights are mindless zombies, I look at them as more of cannon fodder/minions than actual beings.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:58 pm to
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Have you seen any evidence of anyone else being turned?


Do we have much evidence of the Others period? What we do have evidence of is of them turning a live human into one of them. Why couldn't they do the same to another one. And before you say "Why don't they take other people?" whose to say they haven't? We have no idea on their actual numbers. Anything we say about the Others is basically a shot in the dark, so I don't see why your evidence is any better than ours.

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We never have evidence of women being turned


The Night's King took one to wife. And why would we have seen female Others? No one has women in their army (aside from Wildings and Renly), so why would we have had the opportunity to see one?
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 7:22 pm to
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Well do you think he's Coldhands?


White Walkers' leader=The King's Knight=Lord Commander Brandon Stark=Coldhands?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 7:31 pm to
So a buddy sent me a link to the GoT porno. My thoughts:

1. Tyrion is some dude who walks around on his knees. It is funny as shite.
2. Sansa's carpet matches the drapes.
3. SPOILER Varys isnt really a eunoch.
4. The Dany/Doreah scene is
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 7:49 pm to
Is that the one called Game of Bones?

Also I just got done reading through the thread after watching the last two episodes. Yesterdays was crazyyyyy.

Did Bran and co. go to Craster's in the books? I can't remember
Posted by BlackleafBaller
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 7:50 pm to
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GoT porno


So its basically the show with a better plot?
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 7:56 pm to
Not at all. That has been part of the conversation today. Been mixed reactions
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:01 pm to
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Not at all. That has been part of the conversation today. Been mixed reactions


Well, I think Coldhands did, and he butchered them and fed them to Bran and co.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:07 pm to
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Well, I think Coldhands did, and he butchered them and fed them to Bran and co.


Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:11 pm to
So coldhands is a Thenn?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:15 pm to
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Is that the one called Game of Bones?


Dont know, link just said GoT porno and I was like:

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:17 pm to
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So coldhands is a Thenn?


Just seems pretty suspicious to me that right after Coldhands kills a few men from the Night's Watch conveniently north of the Wall, and somehow returns with pig meat, the animal most similar to us, I can only conclude that Coldhands killed them and then fed everyone else their flesh.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:20 pm to
Game of Bones was awful. The White Wedding though bow:
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