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Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:38 pm to
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:38 pm to
And probably 500 pages of this thread is just bitching.
Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:06 pm to
Well if the fat frick would finish the book we wouldn't bitch.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:53 am to
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And probably 500 pages of this thread is just bitching.


I probably have at least 10 pages by myself.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 11:10 am to
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Well if the fat frick would finish the book we wouldn't bitch.



This thread used to be insane, but I'm hoping the bastard will finish WoW to get this up and running again.
Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 11:15 am to
At least the show returns in less than 2 weeks.
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 2:18 pm to
"George RR Martin is not your bitch." - Neil Gaiman

George started this series for himself, no one else. If he wants to take his sweet arse time he can take his sweet arse time. Read his other works if you're so obsessed. I have, and have really enjoyed them. Especially Fevre Dream. His 1000 Worlds stories are really fun, too. I even got the first three volumes of Wild Cards in today, and even though they're collaborative stories I can't wait to start them. Read the Accursed Kings series by Duron that Martin has said influenced him a lot. Hell, with that series he had to wait until recently for all seven books to be translated. It was either that or learn French. It's as if people act like there isn't similar books out there to enjoy.

It's crazy how some people exclaim how complex A Song of Ice and Fire is, but seem to think that such complexity can be easily put to paper. Martin has created a world enriched in a fictional history that people forget that it's not easy to write a series that focuses so much on that history. I'm glad he is taking his time and not rushing through it, that's going to make the end that much better. And if he doesn't finish it, oh well, I have really enjoyed the experience.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 2:30 pm to
This is like Steve Jobs saying he only made Apple for himself and was going to liquidate all the assets of his company once he dies, and frick everyone else. Yeah you can keep your old iPhones and computers, but none are coming down the line.

Sorry, but that's not good enough. I'm an investor, and I demand a finished product. Stop sucking this fat turd off and enabling him. In the least he should say he's hired a ghost writer in the event of his death.

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Martin has created a world enriched in a fictional history that people forget that it's not easy to write a series that focuses so much on that history.


If George RR Martin was anyone else save for Steven King and JKR, his publisher would have thrown him to the curb by now. This is not normal for a writer to write 3 books over 6 years, and then for all the next books all take the same amount of time to write as he did the previous 3. Who the frick does this? It's wrong to the fans. I don't think even George Lucas would do this shite.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted by Decisions
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 3:25 pm to
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This is not normal for a writer to write 3 books over 6 years, and then for all the next books all take the same amount of time to write as he did the previous 3


Stephen Erikson wrote the Malazan Book of the Fallen series from 1999-2011 for a grand total of ten books. Each book is in excess of a thousand pages and introduces and fleshes out AT LEAST a dozen characters. The world is just as complex and layered as Martin's, if not moreso.

All of this is to say that I have no sympathy for Martin. Larger works than ASOIAF have been written in much more timely manners. He needs to nut up and at least get WoW out. Preferably before the show finishes.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 4:40 pm to
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This is like Steve Jobs saying he only made Apple for himself and was going to liquidate all the assets of his company once he dies, and frick everyone else. Yeah you can keep your old iPhones and computers, but none are coming down the line.

Sorry, but that's not good enough. I'm an investor, and I demand a finished product. Stop sucking this fat turd off and enabling him. In the least he should say he's hired a ghost writer in the event of his death.



No it's not. Martin isn't worth 10.2 billion.

How are you an investor? Did you pay him to come up with that story? Did he come to you personally asking for money so he can write his books? Whether you bought paperback or hardback George RR Martin doesn't owe you shite.

I'm not enabling anyone. I'm allowing a human being to be a human being. Martin can do whatever he wants because I'm not his boss and neither are you.

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If George RR Martin was anyone else save for Steven King and JKR, his publisher would have thrown him to the curb by now. This is not normal for a writer to write 3 books over 6 years, and then for all the next books all take the same amount of time to write as he did the previous 3. Who the frick does this? It's wrong to the fans. I don't think even George Lucas would do this shite.



You're probably somewhat right, if it was any other author the publisher would probably kick him to the crub. But it's not, and his books still sell, so the publisher doesn't give a frick. Also the publisher is probably looking at all he psycho fans that call him fat frick, and wager dead pools that they are probably loving how long it takes for him to write a book, because that means a lot of people are going to flock to the bookstore to get a copy of the next one. And before you say: well by the time it comes out no one is going to care anymore. To that I say, well... bye.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 5:03 pm to
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No it's not. Martin isn't worth 10.2 billion.



What does that matter?

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How are you an investor?


Yes. I've bought all 5 books, bought the grand collection audiobook, bought 2 of the seasons on DVD, an HBO subscription, got the maps, the World of Ice and Fire, 2 t-shirts, a glass, some Game of Thrones beers, and a growler, all of which he's made a cut of. I've invested well into the three digits in hopes that this tubby a-hole finishes the novels. He owes it to us the fans.

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Did you pay him to come up with that story?


I paid him to continue it.

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Whether you bought paperback or hardback George RR Martin doesn't owe you shite.


Go suck off that tubby a-hole some more.

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I'm not enabling anyone. I'm allowing a human being to be a human being. Martin can do whatever he wants because I'm not his boss and neither are you.



Yeah, lets have these expectations from everyone. Hey were you the one who suggested that Trump run for office? Did you hold stocks in Trump's company? Hey you may have voted for him, but Trump doesn't owe you shite!

Give me a break, if someone promises you something, then he better live up to it or have a damn good excuse why. He's one human being being selfish against millions of people. If he said he'd get a ghost writer after he dies instead of hoarding this all for himself, then I'd be ok, but he's a fat prick who deserves every bit of ridicule he receives.

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so the publisher doesn't give a frick


You really think his publisher doesn't give a frick? Do you really think they're not incredibly pissed that the show is going to beat him to the punch and thus decreasing the book sales for what they would have been? Do you really think they're not completely pissed that he hasn't written another 6-8 books for them instead of him sitting on his fat arse all these years not doing shite? I guarantee they're just as pissed if not more so than we are.

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Also the publisher is probably looking at all he psycho fans that call him fat frick, and wager dead pools that they are probably loving how long it takes for him to write a book, because that means a lot of people are going to flock to the bookstore to get a copy of the next one.


They don't fricking care. They want him to release a damn book that they can sell tens of millions of.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 6:53 pm
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 6:30 pm to
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Yes. I've bought all 5 books, bought the grand collection audiobook, bought 2 of the seasons on DVD, an HBO subscription, got the maps, the World of Ice and Fire, 2 t-shirts, a glass, some Game of Thrones beers, and a growler, all of which he's made a cut of. I've invested well into the three digits in hopes that this tubby a-hole finishes the novels. He owes it to us the fans.




You didn't have to buy that stuff. I'm a huge Martin fan, but I didn't go to the lengths that you have buying a bunch of A Song of Ice and Fire merchandise. So who is the one truly enabling?


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What does that matter?



I think this is a question you should be asking yourself when comparing a fiction writer to a business mogul that had helped develope a lot of influential technology.

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Go suck off that tubby a-hole some more.


Go buy another coffee mug. It might help keep mind off Martin's member for a few minutes while you're sipping on your maxwell house in the morning.

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You really think his publisher doesn't give a frick?


Considering people (like yourself, you already admitted to it) are still buying the books and other merchandise? No. Publishers are still making bank off of TPBs and "special edition" reprints.

As for the show, you should know yourself that the show does not equal the books. The show has missed out on a lot of plot. So are you telling me that when the show finishes you're not going to buy the last two books? If you say no, I applaud you. If you say yes, you've contridicted yourself. And that makes you a hypocrite.
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 6:35 pm to
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Stephen Erikson wrote the Malazan Book of the Fallen series from 1999-2011 for a grand total of ten books


Collaborated with Ian Cameron Esslemont to create that world. Began back in 1985 during their RPG days.
Posted by Decisions
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 7:10 pm to
And? Martin started a mere six years later in 91, published his first four years earlier in 95, and has proceeded to publish a quarter as much material in the interval since then. He's slacking.
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:20 pm to
We are witnessing one of the dumbest arguments of all time ever.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 10:33 pm to
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You didn't have to buy that stuff. I'm a huge Martin fan, but I didn't go to the lengths that you have buying a bunch of A Song of Ice and Fire merchandise. So who is the one truly enabling?


Yeah, a con man ripping off everyone this the first thing that comes out of his mouth "oh, you didn't have to buy from me", "oh you didn't have to give me hundreds or thousands of dollars when I had every intention of ripping you off", or "shame on you if you think I'd fulfill my word. You're the stupid one". He's at best a con man.

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I think this is a question you should be asking yourself when comparing a fiction writer to a business mogul that had helped develope a lot of influential technology.


If I invest in anyone I expect them to come through with their word. GRRM promised ADWD a year after AFFC release. It came out 5 years after.

Seriously what if JKR did this shite? Sorcerer's Stone film was released around the time of Goblet of Fire book. What if she only wrote Order of the Phoenix and then the films were spoiled for the book fans after that? Her publishers would fricking strangle her for it. That is what this fat twat has done. It's inexcusable and people like you enable this fat mother fricker.

If he somehow releases a Dream of Spring before he kicks the KFC bucket, here would be my response to him: Better late than never you fat tubby piece of shite.

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Go buy another coffee mug. It might help keep mind off Martin's member for a few minutes while you're sipping on your maxwell house in the morning.


Ummm, yeah I like coffee as do most adults. What are you implying from this?

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Considering people (like yourself, you already admitted to it) are still buying the books and other merchandise? No. Publishers are still making bank off of TPBs and "special edition" reprints.


They would get that money regardless. They're thinking they've lost out on 200 million dollars all because Sir Too-Fat-To-Write-A-Book is too busy vacationing and eating his way to an early grave to where they'll never see that money.

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As for the show, you should know yourself that the show does not equal the books. The show has missed out on a lot of plot. So are you telling me that when the show finishes you're not going to buy the last two books? If you say no, I applaud you. If you say yes, you've contridicted yourself. And that makes you a hypocrite.


I do expect the show to be different than the book, simply due to Varys being radically different and the plans that surround him. But I have every right to be pissed at him for this happening. GRRM shouldn't go on any vacations until this book is finished. frick him. The book is literally 13 years overdue. He needs to stop eating his Doritos covered in ground beef and nacho cheese and get to his computer and start typing. And pussy fanboys like yourself need to stop enabling him. I don't want him to be a part of a single project until ADOS is on the shelves.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 10:41 pm
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 7/7/17 at 11:13 pm to
Damn, thought there was some actual discussion going on
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/8/17 at 12:01 pm to
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This post was edited on 7/8/17 at 12:08 pm
Posted by Mrtommorrow1987
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Posted on 7/9/17 at 9:01 am to
Yeah, I got excited to come talk ASOIAF and then I realized it was just people bitching again.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:12 pm to
Hey...whos the a-hole that let a gump in???

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It's inexcusable and people like you enable this fat mother fricker. 



I fricking love you, Shark.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted by beerJeep
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Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:47 pm to
I started my first listen through of the audio books a month or so ago, and something in the first book stuck out to me. Can't remember where it was, but there are references to how arya and Jon have similar features and then of course how arya looks like lyanna. So naturally Jon looks like lyanna.

Never caught that in my first or second time reading it. But when I heard it I was like Woah.

But im sure that's been discussed in this massive thread somewhere.
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