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Airline status vs using other airlines for direct flights
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:29 am
I have a decent status level for this year with a major airline that gives me priority boarding, free checked, upgrades if available. Problem is I have several trips in the next 6 months where I can't fly direct to my destination, or its significantly more expensive that other airlines.
I want to take advantage of the benefits while I have them, so I am re-assessing how I'm evaluating may travel. I will always fly this airline if a direct flight available and/or the cost of the flight is not significantly more expensive than other (non-discount) airlines.
But struggling with the connecting flights (and extra time) trade-off. Anyone else dealt with this? How do you make flight decisions? Also is a connection worth the milage multiplier for you?
I want to take advantage of the benefits while I have them, so I am re-assessing how I'm evaluating may travel. I will always fly this airline if a direct flight available and/or the cost of the flight is not significantly more expensive than other (non-discount) airlines.
But struggling with the connecting flights (and extra time) trade-off. Anyone else dealt with this? How do you make flight decisions? Also is a connection worth the milage multiplier for you?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:37 am to NOLALGD
Before COVID, I'd take the connection to retain status for the following year. Post COVID, I'll take whatever direct flight exists. Not worth the time or $$ to add a few extra hours each way every time you fly for the equivalent of one free checked bag.
Just my opinion, I'm sure it's worth it to others who have executive platinum or diamond status versus being a lowly gold/silver
Just my opinion, I'm sure it's worth it to others who have executive platinum or diamond status versus being a lowly gold/silver
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:39 am to NOLALGD
I think anyone who travels a lot deals with it. My preference is to stick with the status airline but if the cost of the ticket or travel time is not competitive I take the best other option available. It doesn’t hurt to build status with others.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:08 am to NOLALGD
I never chase status and just pick what works best for me considering two main factors...price and logistics/schedule. Lounge access, free baggage, priority boarding and even seating upgrades don't mean as much to me if I have to sacrifice other important factors.
I also do not travel for work so my time and money is more valuable because it's my time and money, not my works. Those who travel for their job and those who travel mainly for leisure are not really comparing apples to apples.
I also do not travel for work so my time and money is more valuable because it's my time and money, not my works. Those who travel for their job and those who travel mainly for leisure are not really comparing apples to apples.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 11:10 am
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:56 am to NOLALGD
The only time status comes into play for me is when I fly with the family. We just have too much shite with us. Priority boarding is nice.
If I am on business or flying alone, I typically get on almost last when they are making final calls for boarding. No interest in rushing to a seat I am going to be in for hours. I put by computer bag under the seat so I don't need overhead space.
I fly waaaaay too much and realized many many years ago that the priority benefits don't really matter at all. Convenience and fastest was to get from point A to point B without losing all control of my schedule is my priority.
If I am on business or flying alone, I typically get on almost last when they are making final calls for boarding. No interest in rushing to a seat I am going to be in for hours. I put by computer bag under the seat so I don't need overhead space.
I fly waaaaay too much and realized many many years ago that the priority benefits don't really matter at all. Convenience and fastest was to get from point A to point B without losing all control of my schedule is my priority.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:12 pm to NOLALGD
I'm assuming you're primarily domestic. The calculus changes pretty dramatically if you do international travel (not including short hops to Mexico/Central America.)
One thing you didn't mention is the ability to select your seat. I'm referring to the ability to select a seat period, not just "upgrading" into economy plus, etc. A good number of airlines won't let you select a seat before check in. If you're just spending 3 hours to get to LGA, may be you don't care. I do. I'm not flying in a middle seat, even domestically.
I can't tell where you're based out of, but you can also play with your departure point to get lower fares on the airline you have status with. I live in West Houston, so I can play with leaving out of Houston or Austin, for instance. Flying out of somewhere like College Station or Beaumont and routing through Houston on the same flight is even cheaper, but I'm not that desperate.
Now, living in Houston, it is nearly *always* cheaper if I fly American/Iberia/BA through Dallas, but again, I'm not that desperate.
Using ITA Matrix I can pretty much fly a Star Alliance airline anywhere I need to go for not much of a fare difference, but I'm date flexible, and you may not be.
One thing you didn't mention is the ability to select your seat. I'm referring to the ability to select a seat period, not just "upgrading" into economy plus, etc. A good number of airlines won't let you select a seat before check in. If you're just spending 3 hours to get to LGA, may be you don't care. I do. I'm not flying in a middle seat, even domestically.
I can't tell where you're based out of, but you can also play with your departure point to get lower fares on the airline you have status with. I live in West Houston, so I can play with leaving out of Houston or Austin, for instance. Flying out of somewhere like College Station or Beaumont and routing through Houston on the same flight is even cheaper, but I'm not that desperate.
Now, living in Houston, it is nearly *always* cheaper if I fly American/Iberia/BA through Dallas, but again, I'm not that desperate.
Using ITA Matrix I can pretty much fly a Star Alliance airline anywhere I need to go for not much of a fare difference, but I'm date flexible, and you may not be.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:19 pm to CuseTiger
All good responses, definitely feel better about getting the best flights regardless of carrier, especially direct. Also most of my flights are less than 2.5 hours. If flying longer (like MSY to LA or SFO), if time permits I might do a connection over direct thru Houston or Dallas just to have a more comfortable flight on the longer leg.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:38 pm to NOLALGD
Whatever is most convenient. Life is too short to chase status.
If I fly non-United, I use a card with 5x points on travel and call it good.
If I fly non-United, I use a card with 5x points on travel and call it good.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:39 pm to NOLALGD
I have had status through Delta over the years primarily from when I was flying like crazy out of Atlanta.
Well I have lived in Chicago and now Philadelphia for the last 6 years which have very few Delta routes. I will not fly Delta if the only option is a connecting flight when I can fly direct on American
Well I have lived in Chicago and now Philadelphia for the last 6 years which have very few Delta routes. I will not fly Delta if the only option is a connecting flight when I can fly direct on American
Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:03 pm to s0tiger
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Whatever is most convenient. Life is too short to chase status.
I couldn't tell you how many times i have traveled with people who arrived hours later or had to leave hours earlier or had longe layovers because theyre loyal to one airline or the other for status purposes.
Those perks are nice when you HAVE to deal with less than ideal prices or schedules but when better options exist I don't understand the desire to pass on them for those perks.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:24 pm to NOLALGD
Is being direct that really big a deal? I fly through ATL for everything mostly and it’s a breeze
Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:50 pm to Tshiz
quote:
Is being direct that really big a deal?
It can be depending on the route. If you don't live at a hub like IAH, DFW, or ATL, it can make scheduling a PITA, particularly international flights.
ATL often has lightning related delays on connections during the spring/summer season, DFW has icing issues in the winter, ORD is well, ORD, etc.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:05 pm to Tshiz
quote:3 hours direct is wayyyy better than going out of the way and adding a 1-3 hour layover.
Is being direct that really big a deal? I fly through ATL for everything mostly and it’s a breeze
Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:08 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:Nothing a downloaded movie or a bourbon can't fix.
hose perks are nice
Best combination of these 4 usually wins.
1. Better departure/arrival times
2. Cost
3. Shortest total duration
4. Departing city
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:40 pm to NOLALGD
Direct flights all the way. Status be damned
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:42 pm to Tshiz
quote:
Is being direct that really big a deal?
I won't opt for direct if it forces me to arrive significantly later or depart significantly earlier but if departure / arrival times are close, yes...direct is HUGE.
For example, I won't fly out at 4pm on a direct flight that arrives somewhere two hours later if I can fly out with a connection and an hour later on a flight that leaves at noon. Conversely, I won't catch a return flight direct at 6 am if I can catch one with a connection sometime around noon or early afternoon.
1: Price
2: Departure / Arrival Time
3: Direct
Thats the order of importance to me
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:28 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:
1: Price
2: Departure / Arrival Time
3: Direct
For me, #2 is primary. When you put into perspective how much money our wives (or ex-wives) have blown on utterly inane BS, spending an extra $90 to not have to leave Orlando at 0700, but to leave at 1015 is worth it.
I don't connect in the US when I have to go through immigration, either. I'm flying direct from FRA/NRT/IST to IAH, you can take a magic leap off a cliff if you think I'm connecting in EWR, ORD, or IAD coming back from Europe. F and No.
BTW, if you have a family, pay extra attention to my seat selection comment. On LH, I paid $65 each way to select a seat (IAH to FRA and FRA to IAH) after I lost Star Alliance Gold. LH decided not to fly the 747 on the way back, I got switched to UA, on a 767 to IAD from FRA. Well, those dummies forgot there is a UA 777 that leaves from FRA within 30-45 minutes of the LH flight that goes direct to Houston. To try to select a seat on the United flight (since I no longer have meaningful status) costs over $250 for a one way flight. If you're flying multiple people, that gets devastating pretty quickly.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:34 pm to NOLALGD
I’m not loyal at all. As a matter of fact, I have membership with American, Alaska, Delta, Southwest and United. I’m looking for a few main things.
Direct flights
Airport (BTR/MSY)
Cost
Departure/arrival time
I avoid layovers if at all possible which usually means I’m going out of MSY. I’ve got a business trip coming up where I’m flying direct to my destination in 2.5 hours. Some others are flying out of BTR with a short layover and it’s gonna be almost 5 hours. Screw that noise!
If layovers are a must, I’m usually going to opt to go out of BTR unless it’s stupid expensive. After that, it’s just making sure I don’t get to my destination too late.
Direct flights
Airport (BTR/MSY)
Cost
Departure/arrival time
I avoid layovers if at all possible which usually means I’m going out of MSY. I’ve got a business trip coming up where I’m flying direct to my destination in 2.5 hours. Some others are flying out of BTR with a short layover and it’s gonna be almost 5 hours. Screw that noise!
If layovers are a must, I’m usually going to opt to go out of BTR unless it’s stupid expensive. After that, it’s just making sure I don’t get to my destination too late.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:50 am to NOLALGD
Most airlines will match other airlines status even if just temporary. I have status with United but needed to fly Delta so I just asked if they would match and they did. So the rest of the year I have both. Hotels do this too.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:38 am to NOLALGD
I am EXP with AA, and frankly, loyalty has really saved me over the years. Loyalty matters when things go south. Even if you have a paid first class ticket, when things go awry you are just another customer.
Sure, I might lose an hour connecting in CLT or spend and extra $100 on a flight, but when a flight gets canceled and I am already rebooked before I even notice, and the rest of the plane is scrambling, it balances out. When I get picked up in a car gate side and driven to my connection because it leaves in two minutes, it is clutch.
Then you add on the priority bags, first upgrades, free bags, lounge access, etc etc, loyalty is worth it.
I might do one SWA and DL direct a year if I am really pressed, but I try to stick with AA.
Sure, I might lose an hour connecting in CLT or spend and extra $100 on a flight, but when a flight gets canceled and I am already rebooked before I even notice, and the rest of the plane is scrambling, it balances out. When I get picked up in a car gate side and driven to my connection because it leaves in two minutes, it is clutch.
Then you add on the priority bags, first upgrades, free bags, lounge access, etc etc, loyalty is worth it.
I might do one SWA and DL direct a year if I am really pressed, but I try to stick with AA.
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