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re: Home Mesh Wifi

Posted on 4/20/18 at 10:59 am to
Posted by Kingpenm3
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Posted on 4/20/18 at 10:59 am to
I've tried to read this whole thread and understand more than I did before I started. Couple of questions:

Are the fully wireless, or wired backchannel systems better at switching between wifi units than full wired/AP's?

(Please let me know if I'm asking the correct question here)
I want to have whole home wifi as well as control of anything I put in the house in the future. As in lights/outlets thermostats. I am new construction so I can wire all the ethernet I want.

What I am finding is that zwave is the most widely standardized platform for home control, so I'm looking for a system that will give me whole home zwave.

It looks to me that the Samsung Smartthings system would do this. But most of the reviews say that it doesn't seem to do it very well. And it looks like it would take 4 pro units to do what I want to do. ($600)

So I guess I'm looking for a system (imagine a large T shaped home) with a central hub, and 3 wired Access points at the tips of the T, but with zwave/zigbee access across this whole area as well??

Or am I overthinking the automation stuff and I should just go with the well reviewed velop system, and add some z-wave hubs?

https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/350795/the-best-wi-fi-mesh-network-systems
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/20/18 at 11:32 am to
quote:

Are the fully wireless, or wired backchannel systems better at switching between wifi units than full wired/AP's?


Dam should take this one but as I understand it, this is just a more robust system. Wired means zero latency to the main router and since traffic has to travel both directions, it means its faster, can transmit larger amounts of data to devices and is overall a more robust solution. Remember you're likely not just connecting a single device to the AP, it could potentially be servicing things like multiple streaming video services, music, downloads, etc....all of which have to be pushed to the satellite AP and then back to the main router itself.

quote:

So I guess I'm looking for a system (imagine a large T shaped home) with a central hub, and 3 wired Access points at the tips of the T, but with zwave/zigbee access across this whole area as well??


None of the big players (Apple, Google or Amazon) have built a single Zwave hub. both wink and smartthings have issues even though they're the best known solutoins and I dont trust that *EITHER* of them will still be around in 5 years. i'm not about to go on record recommending either because Wink is now owned by a washed up Rapper and ST is basically being ignored by samsung and seems to have regular outages according to the reddit sub.

HAVING SAID ALL THAT; zwave & zigbee 'self mesh' and it doesn't really matter where your hub is; every device you buy that is zwave or zigbee will essentially act as an AP and manage the signal so range and location of your zwave hub is mostly irrelevant. i'm glossing over some technical caveats, but the main takeaway is the more zwave & zigbee devices you have scattered around your house, the more robust your network is.

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should just go with the well reviewed velop system


for most people i think any of these will do but keep in mind, you're locking yourself into a platform and its only good if its popularity continues and/or the vendor doesnt decide those hardware devices you bought are now obsolete so they only release firmware on velop v2 or whatever comes down the road.

iow 'wifi mesh' is a vendor-proprietary term and there is no such thing as buying a generic 'wifi mesh' product to increase your range. zwave & zigbee truly mesh in a generic way therefore any device you buy from any vendor that uses that technology will make your network more robust.

asus, linksys, netgear are names that are synonymous with router tech so its unlikely any of them are going away anytime soon.

apple and google otoh..well apple seems to be getting out of the wifi business and google doesn't even have a listing for 'google wifi' on their store page despite having 17 other products there..so be careful if you go with one of these.



This post was edited on 4/20/18 at 11:40 am
Posted by TigerWise
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Posted on 4/20/18 at 11:53 am to
quote:

both wink and smartthings have issues even though they're the best known solutoins and I dont trust that *EITHER* of them will still be around in 5 years. i'm not about to go on record recommending either because Wink is now owned by a washed up Rapper and ST is basically being ignored by samsung


I've seen you say this a couple times. Wink the rapper might be gone in 5 years but I don't see ST going anywhere soon. They are making everything from TVs to refrigerators ST compatible. The 2018 TVs are pretty slick with the ST integration. The TV essential becomes the command center of the smart home. You can ask it to check in on he kids room and see live video, turn on the porch lights, see the temp of the fridge, etc I see it as the future. To say it's being ignored by Samsung is laughable.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/20/18 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

To say it's being ignored by Samsung is laughable.


i havent seen the new TV integration but i'm simply going on its track record for the last year and the frequent outages.

rather than trying to get it to connect to a $5000 refrigerator so you can see the temp on your phone, maybe they should spend more time stabilizing the system itself.

eta you really think the 'killer' future for ST is integration with expensive products like high end TVs and appliances that force you to buy only samsung?
This post was edited on 4/20/18 at 12:03 pm
Posted by TigerWise
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Posted on 4/20/18 at 12:28 pm to
I'm not trying to derail this thread. I'm just pointing out that Samungs hasn't ingnored the ST platform. And a $1200, which is its retail at release, can be your smart home "command center" for the lack of a better word. Also 2gig and Leviton are invest into ST has well with their products to name a few.
Posted by djangochained
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/21/18 at 7:41 am to
Just set up google WiFi and it’s pretty awesome

We have 2 story 4200 sf house with back mIL suite.

I’m getting Great coverage throughout the home and it’s improved streaming of directv Now tremendously

Setup was easy
Posted by mctiger1985
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:52 pm to
For anyone looking for Orbi, great deals can be had on ebay. Purchased a "for parts only" rbr50 kit that the owner said wouldn't reset for $90. Took my chances that the satellite was still good, and it is. Used satellites normally go above $150. Then I purchased a used working condition RBK50 (satellite and router) for $120. A nearly free satellite after I flip the router for close to what I paid total. Found all of these using IFTTT
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 7:54 pm
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:37 am to
I'm at 4800 ft2 and went with google mesh as well, i'm certifiably technologically illiterate and set this up in 10 minutes. Had an issue after AT&T fiber had to rebuild something in my community and customer service walked me through it extremely fast and without accent. Picked it up Black Friday $249 for 3 pack.
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:01 am to
Very happy with my 86u so far. My FiL went all-in with ubiquity so he's going to give me his ac1900 router and that should complete the APs for my house. I haven't tried aimesh yet; I'm going to see how well the traditional AP topology handles things for now.

The 5ghz range on the new router is insane.
Posted by djangochained
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 3:06 pm to
Cad , what can I do with my old netgear ac1900?

Anyone need one?
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Kingpenm3
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Eero


Eero is getting most of my attention right now. Could not be any more simple, get a eero if you have ethernet to the location, get a beacon if you don't. Can expand the system as much as you want.

https://eero.com/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071DWXLYL?aaxitk=CZNogWmDq-gUxFnRJLvX1g&pd_rd_i=B071DWXLYL&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3534726502&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-top-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=wifi+mesh&hsa_cr_id=8935690530401

Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:36 am to
quote:

Cad , what can I do with my old netgear ac1900?
i'll take it! its actually a pretty hot item since it supports aimesh (not the tmo-branded ac1900).

but i still haven't found you a play:3.

you need anything else? I have lots of home automation crap (dimmers, switches, door sensors, etc.)
Posted by jennyjones
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Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:54 am to
quote:

its too bad they blacklisted the tmo branded AC1900; that would have been a very inexpensive way to set this up.


Im pretty sure there's now a work around for this although SnB forums (where Merlin posts) has now banned the discussion.

I still have one of these I plan to hack, but just havent had the time lately.
Posted by jennyjones
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Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:54 am to
quote:

netgear ac1900


quote:

it supports aimesh


Really? tell me more. Im interested if so
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:58 am to
AiMesh Support

quote:


AC1900
RT-AC68RW
RT-AC68UF
RT-AC68R
RT-AC68W
RT-AC1900
RT-AC1900U
RT-AC68U_White
RT-AC68P
RT-AC1900P
RT-AC68U

AC2900
RT-AC86U
RT-AC2900


AC3100
RT-AC88U
RT-AC3100

AC5300
RT-AC5300
ROG Rapture GT-AC5300
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:59 am to
quote:

SnB forums (where Merlin posts) has now banned the discussion.


merlin is in tight with asus and SNB doesnt want to get sued by people working around asus's firmware update.
Posted by jennyjones
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Member since Apr 2006
9315 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:00 pm to
He said Netgear though....
Posted by jennyjones
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Member since Apr 2006
9315 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

merlin is in tight with asus and SNB doesnt want to get sued by people working around asus's firmware update.


I was following the TM Ac1900 topic closely. Honestly, I think Asus will piss more people off by their stance.

You ended up buying another new Asus router afterwards for example, so who knows how people will react. In the grand scheme, there probably arent too many people out there that are capable and willing to go through the trouble with converting the old ones
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 12:08 pm
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

He said Netgear though....



sorry i completely missed that. i thought it was an asus...
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78101 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

probably arent too many people out there that are capable and willing to go through the trouble with converting the old ones


i extended mine with my old 56u hardwired like a traditional AP. so far its been nothing short of amazing so the aimesh stuff would have to be really nice to get me to switch.
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