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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:49 pm to
Ubiquiti's APs aren't necessarily mesh either. It's just like setting your router to AP only mode, but Ubiquiti has a pretty seamless transition from one AP to another

Edit: I'm talking about their standalone APs, not their Amplifi mesh system. I have no knowledge on those
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted by thibtigerfan
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:50 pm to
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Ah, yeah, those aren't a mesh system thing.


just when I thought I knew which ones to get.

I am still undecided now

Orbi/Linksys/ Ubiquiti????
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:55 pm to
i only know 'mesh' from dealing with zwave & zigbee home automation stuff.

i'm guessing to apply this term to something as complex as 'wifi' you're really looking at something that proprietary to each manuf right?

it seems like each of these 'systems' require you to be 'all in' and cross your fingers the features they provide will be what you need.

that is the part that scares me. up to now, it seems routers generally provide a generic set of functionality that can be applied to other manufactured products (even if the UX is vastly different) but it seems like the 'gotcha' here is the hardware-lockin you are subjecting yourself to.

wifi is wifi but mesh seems like a made up term to sell $300+ router networks and lock you in for the long haul.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 1:56 pm
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:55 pm to
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they look just like the APs but he's got them strung up outdoors. so its a ubiquiti 'branded' product but not part of the core MESH tech


It's not what people are referring to as mesh systems. It's AP tech, but not one of the package bundle type systems that people are referring to as mesh to make it easier on the consumers to purchase them.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:56 pm to
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people are referring to as mesh


is there a generic 'wifi mesh' type of thing or is this just a made up term to sell a particular ecosystem?
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:18 pm to
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is there a generic 'wifi mesh' type of thing or is this just a made up term to sell a particular ecosystem?


There is a generic term for mesh that is just the interconnection of devices. It's a very broad term to cover a lot of shite.

Companies are selling mesh wifi as packages of base station/satellites to blanket somewhere with wifi.

So you are doing mesh connections even if you don't buy mesh systems.

Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:36 pm to
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There is a generic term for mesh that is just the interconnection of devices. It's a very broad term to cover a lot of shite.


i'm stuck on the fact that i was first exposed to this term when dealing with zwave & zigbee and it was very easy to understand in the context of these devices.

as for applying it to wifi, i get what you're saying; its more just a 'common' term people understand to describe an integrated system that has more than one hardware component.
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:41 pm to
You can create your own "mesh" systems out of wireless routers, but it wont be nearly as seamless and it's more work to get them setup.

Orbi, Google wifi, etc give you a near plug and play mesh system to expand your wifi
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:37 pm to
aight.

i'm gonna go with google (bleah) at least initially to do some prototyping. i need to figure out the best placement with my sprawling house and many family members who consume my data in addition to my pool which is a bit odd because its on the SIDE of my house (long story short, house is on 3 acres but most of that is a wooded hill so the only way to expand is on either side)

the one thing that gives me pause is if you go to google's store...they don't even list 'google wifi' in the hardware section that comes up. you have to search for it which concerns me a bit.

its all a crapshoot these days. i think wink is on its dying breath now but smartthings doesn't seem to be doing much better so i wish SOMEONE would integrate zwave & zigbee into a hub that will actually be around in 5 years.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:57 pm to
Yeah, what I really don't like about Google is it's very cloud based. It barely has any storage for it's firmware. Which is a great thing because the semi AI stuff they are doing with it is very neat, but it's also dependent on them. If they just on a whim stop supporting it like they tend to do on some stuff, you basically no longer have a working product.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 3:58 pm
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 4:08 pm to
yeah that concerns me as well. so we have

google weakest entrant technology feature-wise and worrisome they aren't even promoting on their storefront main page
ubiquiti amplifi? dont even know what to buy here; i thought i needed white disks with blue lights but it looks like some funky tuning-fork access points in the kit that dont have PoE capability
netgear orbi legendary shitty netgear customer service but supposedly a decent system
linksys velop wtf $500?
asus aimesh not even trying. they're just sticking 2 AC68Us in a box together for $280 and telling you to turn on aimesh in the software. if i wanted to use a 4 year old router, i'd keep using the one i already have.

any other competitors at this point? i see some $600+ systems with few reviews..

ETA i'm also going to have to spring for a switch since my current router is filled up (ethernet to basement plex server, hue hub, tmobile LTE hub, ethernet to switch in living room where tv, amazon fire, sonosnet and chromecast 4K live...). probably need to spring for something between 8-24 that includes PoE.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 4:29 pm
Posted by RedBeardBaw
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 4:50 pm to
That's the Ubiquiti AirMax Point to Point/Point to multiPoint radios. Basically a wireless bridge connecting the two buildings.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 5:16 pm to
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ubiquiti amplifi? dont even know what to buy here; i thought i needed white disks with blue lights but it looks like some funky tuning-fork access points in the kit that dont have PoE capability


How large of a house are you trying to cover and do you have any separate buildings you are trying to cover and how far away are they?

You could do what I am seriously considering for $250 if it fits your needs. Still trying to figure out if the tri band is fully function if you do wired backhauling.

I am looking at buying two Amplifi HD routers, not the full system. The night light/tuning fork won’t be part of my setup. The two routers will function just like one router and one tuning fork except you will get some hardwire options to do wired backhauling and wired connections at the satellite since the router has 4 lan ports/1 wan.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 5:20 pm
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 6:43 pm to
I may just get a 86u and turn my crappy 56u into an ap using aimesh. I know at least it has good hardware specs but I'll miss out on that cool ubiquiti remote access thing you posted.

I know Asus turned alot of people off when they kicked all the modified tmo routers off aimesh because that was a great cheap way to add aps.

ETA 3800sf house on one level, pool 150ft more to one side, 400sf underneath house in basement.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 6:45 pm
Posted by humblepie
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 7:39 pm to
I have had good luck with Plume wifi. Each node can do wired backhaul, you can connect it to your existing router or directly to a modem. They look nice and only block one plug on a outlet so the wife doesn't complain.

They do have a cloud based component which will optimize how each node routes traffic based on your usage.

They only sell directly from their website so many people haven't heard of them but Comcast has integrated their tech into their latest routers so they seem to be doing well.

Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:13 pm to
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ETA 3800sf house on one level, pool 150ft more to one side, 400sf underneath house in basement.


Ubiquiti should definitely work well with that, the 3 satellite one can cover 20000 sqft, 2 routers I would hope would do that size.
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 12:07 am to
i have google mesh covering about 4500 square feet with no problem. using cox internet 100/10

from my research you can't go wrong with any of the top units.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 12:08 am
Posted by tigersnipen
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:24 am to
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netgear orbi legendary shitty netgear customer service but supposedly a decent system 
linksys velop wtf $500? 


Only 2 (that I am aware of) so far with dedicated wireless backhaul channels. Performance will be superior to the others you listed.

If you use Ethernet backhaul this advantage isn't as important.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 7:25 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:06 am to
the more i read about asus 'aimesh' the more i like it.

i'm now leaning towards buying 2 older (AC1900) routers and hooking this system up. Newegg has them for $95/ea

i like the idea of 2 full powered routers handling the mesh instead of AP 'dongles'.

its too bad they blacklisted the tmo branded AC1900; that would have been a very inexpensive way to set this up.

yeah i may be drinking the koolaid here...

This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 10:07 am
Posted by thibtigerfan
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:18 am to
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Only 2 (that I am aware of) so far with dedicated wireless backhaul channels. Performance will be superior to the others you listed.


so I will be running a 2000 sq ft house, and a 1400 sq ft pool house.

Wanting to stream TV in both as well as possibly my patio TV

Would I be better with orbi/velop, or would the ubiquiti get the job done?
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