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re: What kind of impact would a USA World Cup win have on soccer in America?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:57 am to lionward2014
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:57 am to lionward2014
I don't think anybody doubts it would be huge while it was happening, but how long would it last?
I honestly think having a true world superstar would be almost as big for the sport as winning the WC.
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It would at least peak the interest of the sports fan who only cares about soccer every 4 years to follow whoever the star of the USMNT is at the time career.
I honestly think having a true world superstar would be almost as big for the sport as winning the WC.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 12:26 pm
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 11:02 am to RandySavage
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I honestly think having a true world superstar would be almost as big for the sports as winning the WC.
i think it would be bigger, especially if the superstar was a superstar for a prolonged period of time.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 11:22 am to VolInBavaria
If the Chicago Fire won it, the impact would be huge!
Posted on 4/27/17 at 11:58 am to cwil177
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Except the revs are a marquee franchise for MLS
in what way other than being there from the start?
not that great support, never won MLS cup, play in an NFL stadium, an owner who uses them as a tax right off....
Posted on 4/27/17 at 11:59 am to AceHole
Every world cup creates soccer fans in the US. America loves the opportunity for our entire society to tune in to something in unison.
We're pretty divided in general (we love that too), so when the chance comes to dive in to something socially-oriented, that isn't as divisive, it's kind of a phenomenon. It can be Making a Murderer or the World Cup or the Ice Bucket Challenge or whatever.
A World Cup run would be insane. Every bar would be packed, rednecks who hate soccer would be memorizing player names. Ultimately, we'd go back to hating each other 2 weeks after, but you'd pick up a swath of Americans who enjoyed themselves and want to keep that going. That happens every WC, I just assume the #s would be much higher if we won.
We're pretty divided in general (we love that too), so when the chance comes to dive in to something socially-oriented, that isn't as divisive, it's kind of a phenomenon. It can be Making a Murderer or the World Cup or the Ice Bucket Challenge or whatever.
A World Cup run would be insane. Every bar would be packed, rednecks who hate soccer would be memorizing player names. Ultimately, we'd go back to hating each other 2 weeks after, but you'd pick up a swath of Americans who enjoyed themselves and want to keep that going. That happens every WC, I just assume the #s would be much higher if we won.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 12:16 pm to Meursault
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I honestly don't think it would change much.
Me neither. I'll just come out and say it. You want soccer to take off in America? Get the black people. They essentially dictate pop culture in 2017 and without a ton of non-latin american blacks playing, mainstream American sports fans will never buy it as a top notch athletic sport.
We need rappers reppin MLS and shite lol.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 12:25 pm to Hester Carries
I know he's not originally from the US, but having someone like Joel Embiid tweeting about soccer is one of those things that will help it grow with a new fan base. The NBA influences pop culture more than any other sports league in the US, and there has been some big NBA players talking about soccer.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 12:26 pm to Hester Carries
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Me neither. I'll just come out and say it. You want soccer to take off in America? Get the black people. They essentially dictate pop culture in 2017 and without a ton of non-latin american blacks playing, mainstream American sports fans will never buy it as a top notch athletic sport.
There is probably some truth to this. But careful, because too much of that influence is going to drive away the largest market if it begins to feel exclusionary.
From my perspective as a relatively new soccer fan, we need domestic soccer to be at a world class level. I'm not saying a WC win or run would eliminate the problem, but I've definitely heard "but the MLS sucks, doesn't it?" from non-soccer people. People not inclined to be soccer fans aren't going to get too interested knowing that countries we regularly trounce in other areas have better leagues and players than we do.
But in general, I'm of the opinion that soccer in America is fine. I can watch almost every soccer game I want to watch on TV. Our ATL UTD culture in Atlanta is very strong so far. In any significant US city, you can find people watching PL games on Saturday morning at a host of bars. I'm pretty close to content with the soccer offerings as a spectator.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 12:54 pm to theOG
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think it would be bigger, especially if the superstar was a superstar for a prolonged period of time.
This.
Obviosuly winning a WC would gigantic, but we need to get to a point where non-WC usmnt games are a big deal.
Outside of legit soccer fans, the sporting public doesnt give a shite about the gold cup or most qualifying. You can argue about the merits of concacaf, but having a big time global star on the team would give the casual fan a reason to watch.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:16 pm to cigsmcgee
As a relatively new fan of league soccer (been a fan of USMNT alls me life) watching the EPL then tuning into MLS is like watching NFL then tuning into UL Lafayette vs. North Texas. If we want MLS to grow they will have to get more respectable play. And I think we need an equivalent to the Yankees, Patriots, or 1990's Bulls. Having a team like that will force all of the other teams to improve their quality as well. Baseball in America only got really popular with the Yankees. Football was like that with Green Bay. Americans like winners, but we love consistent winners and dynasties. And as fans of lower clubs it feels even better beating those teams and makes it seem worth investing interest in that team. I think if you have one team that spends money getting really top tier talent you'd have a Yankees effect. And with that more popularity will follow.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:23 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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If we want MLS to grow they will have to get more respectable play. And I think we need an equivalent to the Yankees, Patriots, or 1990's Bulls.
That's not going to happen for a very long time, if ever.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:26 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Having a team like that will force all of the other teams to improve their quality as well
Not with the way MLS is set up with it's allocation process.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:26 pm to cigsmcgee
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Obviosuly winning a WC would gigantic, but we need to get to a point where non-WC usmnt games are a big deal.
Winning the World Cup would do that.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:42 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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I think if you have one team that spends money getting really top tier talent you'd have a Yankees effect
You won't get that team in the next 50 years without the US joining UEFA or a CONCACAF/CONMEBOL merger.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 3:10 pm to pvilleguru
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That's not going to happen for a very long time, if ever.
Will not happen as long as the current regime can do whatever it wants:
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 3:21 pm to pvilleguru
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You won't get that team in the next 50 years without the US joining UEFA or a CONCACAF/CONMEBOL merger.
It's not likely. When it comes to European Leagues and even MLS I have very little knowledge on the subject. I consider myself an example of someone who has been more of a fan of American football but is starting to take an interest in soccer more than just during the World Cup . I have been watching a lot of EPL and Bundesliga because it's on all the time. I have trouble finding an MLS game to watch. And when it is on tv it's either NYFC, Seattle, or LA Galaxy it seems. I know more about the other sports than soccer, sure. But if MLS is going to become more popular it's going to be because of people who are on the fence like me will start making an effort to watch it more. And I think my opinion should count no matter how crazy it sounds. Which if you look around, most of the leagues around the world have a couple of teams at the top who are constantly at the top. So I don't think it's that crazy. One thing is for certain, losing our best talent to Europe will hurt the MLS over the long haul. I just don't see how we get past that problem. Players want to play against the best and the pay in Europe is undeniably better.
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