re: Man city confirmed to be cheating count, now with Barca being cheating count as well!!!

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basically the rules were changed and owners were no longer able to spend their own money to supplement the club finances.

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Unless they're giving the club an interest free loan.

Put the club in debt all you want, but don't inject cash!

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it was proven that the club received money from fake UAE companies and way over valued endorsement deals from real UAE companies to hide that the money actually came from the owner.

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This is a bit of hyperbole. The sponsorships aren't fake companies if you do 30 minutes of searching. I assume you're talking about the Wega one. it was 4M and other EPL clubs had similar deals. Yes, it was a PO box with no employees at the English office but it was run by a Swiss resident living in UAE at the time. It wasn't a big deal.

The other sponsorships...sure? Again, this gets in the weeds with "fair market value". A company sees an opportunity with a club that seems to be doing well and heading towards success and they invest. I'm not going to defend it but if City sucks going forward then these things are never even brought up.

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You can strip their titles in that time frame to accomplish that.

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Sky-blue tinted glasses off IDK if I even do that. Players and agents only know the info they're given and seeing how things have gone up to this point they likely didn't know this was going on. Aguero signed at 23 and is by most accounts, pretty dumb. He got an offer and took it. He won a title. Realistically what are you accomplishing by stripping his accolades?

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Saying they should be punished more because other teams are shittier at managing their teams or unlucky, is just not rational.

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Correct. United has a -1.3B net spend the last decade. They've been shite. Arsenal is over a billion. Liverpool and Chelsea are close to a billion though over half of Liverpool's is the last 2 seasons. City is at 175M.

Argue accounting and "well they couldn't have signed all these players without cheating" all you want but you can't deny City hasn't been run incredibly well since Pep signed on. The last decade of success hasn't been built on money, it was built on a phenomenal front office. If it was purely money then United and Chelsea would have way more titles. If you want to argue Liverpool then I'm a hard maybe. Even then I think it was far enough removed to where they don't have an argument.




That being said, the rules are the rules and if we broke them then do whatever, but punish the guys that did it. Soriano and Khaldoon. I understand wanting to see City burned to the rubble but it isn't rational. Haaland wasn't asking his cousin to sponsor the club. The players weren't involved. The fans weren't involved. The people that have been working at the club for decades weren't involved. At the end of this the PL and City are gonna have to come to a resolution that both sides don't like but accept.

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Yes, it was a PO box with no employees at the English office but it was run by a Swiss resident living in UAE at the time. It wasn't a big deal.

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Sounds totally above board

I would assume if city had that amount of power it wouldn’t have even gotten this far

So City knew they had been found guilty and went on a spending spree this summer because they knew the transfer ban was coming? Exactly how you would expect an innocent organization to act!
Also, imagine doing all that cheating and still losing the league to Leicester. Outfoxed!

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So City knew they had been found guilty and went on a spending spree this summer because they knew the transfer ban was coming?

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Their net spend was like 4th, hardly a "spree"

They sold 2 players on AMAZING valuations.

Where they should have been all along.

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Manchester City arranged "sham contracts" with a number of its commercial partners as part of a scheme to disguise secret funding of more than £830m, the Premier League says.

The League confirmed that City have been found guilty of all charges related to breaches of Premier League financial rules between 2009-10 and 2017-18.

An independent commission found that, during that time period, the club arranged the "sham contracts" as well as "relying on sham agreements to artificially inflate the club's revenues and reduce its costs".

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Big fraud. Kick them out the league.

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The commission's report said the charges "concerned well over 100 alleged individual breaches of Premier League Rules across four broad charge categories".

It also found the club guilty of all charges except one relating to non-cooperation with the Premier League investigation.

The sham commercial deals were described as being part of a "disguised funding scheme" to the scale of £830.69m.

"The relevant sponsorship agreements were found to be shams, or at minimum did not reflect their economic substance," the commission said.

It also describes "deliberate or reckless conduct intended to circumvent the Premier League rules" and that the "sham" scheme devised by City allowed the club "to avoid recording what would otherwise have been the largest single-season loss in Premier League history in 2009-10".

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People want to cry about rules, but this is criminal behavior for any business.




City have until 10/2 to appeal and the appeal process can't take more than 12 weeks.

But like it didn’t impact the product on the pitch and stuff so why people getting upset over a nothing burger

Citeh fans in this thread prolly

Spurs supporters getting stoked that finishing 18th won’t send them down this year

-Strip ALL titles
-Immediate expulsion from Premier League with a 10 year ban
-Evidence forwarded to government for fraudulent activity
-Forced club sale and/or permanent and total Premier League blacklisting of owners and culpable administrators
-Investigate club finances post 2018

No need to worry about point reduction rates or bulk discounts...let them rot in the cellar. I hope they get sued into Bolivian and the EFL casts them aside too. Maybe they can be the next Wrexham in 30 years.