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Haven't watched US soccer in 3 years since the 2018 debacle. How's the talent look?
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:08 pm
It's about time to fire up 2022 qualifying so I'm getting back in the saddle. Do we actually have some young talent or are we in an actual state now that the old guard is gone?
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Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:14 pm to The Boat
Go look at the last page on the Americans abroad thread above. There's a summary that'll tell you everything you need to know.
Shorter version is :CoachOwecoming: gif
Shorter version is :CoachOwecoming: gif
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:20 pm to The Boat
The vast majority of our starters will be playing in Champions League, and some of our bench will be as well.
And we're pretty much fielding a U23 team.
And we're pretty much fielding a U23 team.
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:25 pm to pvilleguru
Is that Jurgen's doing?
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:29 pm to The Boat
I don't really see how it was.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:59 am to The Boat
From a talent standpoint, this is the most talented team we have ever had and it’s not even close to be honest. We should be solid for this coming World Cup but I’m most excited about the 2026 WC when these youngsters are in their prime.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:19 pm to The Boat
The most accomplished American soccer player to ever play the field will play in the 2022 World Cup. The only question is who you think that player is. I think you could argue anyone of pulisic, dest, McKenzie, Adams, Reyna, or brooks will have a better club resume in 2022 than any American field player to play in a prior World Cup.
Most of the starters in 2022 will be meaningful contributors to champions league caliber teams. The bench players should mostly comprise of players regularly starting for lesser first division teams in Europe. In every prior World Cup, that type of player would be considered a top American player. Basically guys with resumes like bedoya and Geoff Cameron are no longer key starters but are fighting for bench positions in the 2022 player pool.
Most of the starters in 2022 will be meaningful contributors to champions league caliber teams. The bench players should mostly comprise of players regularly starting for lesser first division teams in Europe. In every prior World Cup, that type of player would be considered a top American player. Basically guys with resumes like bedoya and Geoff Cameron are no longer key starters but are fighting for bench positions in the 2022 player pool.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:59 pm to ned nederlander
We should have a legit shot at winning the thing in 2026. Our top talent will be peaking and we should have the next crop of youngsters where these guys are now to fill the voids. We need a true #9 and potentially some depth at CB.
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:06 pm to The Boat
Lots of talent no coaching
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:57 pm to ned nederlander
Clint Dempsey’s resume is better than the resume of Adams, Reyna, and Brooks by November 2022.
I would say the same for Friedel, Keller, and Howard (although I think you were only going with non-goalkeepers).
Claudio Reyna, Steve Cherundolo, and even Michael Bradley have better resumes too.
I can certainly see Pulisic, Dest, and McKennie having better resumes than any field player in US history by November 2022 though.
And I may be missing a country, but the only teams that I can say definitely have better 18-22 year-olds than the US are England and France.
I would say the same for Friedel, Keller, and Howard (although I think you were only going with non-goalkeepers).
Claudio Reyna, Steve Cherundolo, and even Michael Bradley have better resumes too.
I can certainly see Pulisic, Dest, and McKennie having better resumes than any field player in US history by November 2022 though.
And I may be missing a country, but the only teams that I can say definitely have better 18-22 year-olds than the US are England and France.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:24 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Clint Dempsey’s resume is better than the resume of Adams, Reyna, and Brooks by November 2022
Brooks has played and scored in a World Cup already, and is a highly respected defender (Hertha even honored him after her transferred). I'm not sure I'd include him with the other two.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:10 pm to The Boat
Can't wait for Altidore and Bradley suit up for the next WC! MLS! MLS!
LOL
LOL
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:13 pm to The Boat
quote:
It's about time to fire up 2022 qualifying so I'm getting back in the saddle. Do we actually have some young talent or are we in an actual state now that the old guard is gone?
There are no Feb-April Drew Bianco's on this team.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:14 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Clint Dempsey’s resume is better than the resume of Adams, Reyna, and Brooks by November 2022.
Clint's resume heading into his first World Cup cycle wasn't better than Adams and Reyna's heading into their first World Cup cycle.
That's the only fair way to compare it.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:29 pm to Broski
I agree for sure on that point. Clint hadn’t even played a second outside of MLS at that point.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 10:33 pm to Keys Open Doors
Adams and Reyna (gio) probably need another good season to surpass Dempsey’s and cherundolo’s body of work, but their club resume is better than Claudio or Bradley already in my opinion.
Gio and Adams are teenagers starting for top table bundesliga teams. Gio has 10 champions league appearances already. Tyler Adams has 9. Both will add to that total in 2021-2022 assuming health.
Michael Bradley played in 0 champions league games. His European career was the eredivisie, a bottom table bundesliga team and a cup of coffee with Roma.
The best team Claudio Reyna played in was rangers. He played in 8 champions league games, all with rangers and all in the first group stage. Man city was a bottom table team when Claudio played there.
Even Clint Dempsey and Cherundolo - 0 champions league minutes between them.
I don’t mean to poopoo on the earlier generation they were our pioneers, but the kids are simply playing in another level from their forbearers.
And finally I’ll get on my hobby horse and finish by saying Beasley has the best club resume of Dempsey, Claudio, cherundolo, and Bradley.
Gio and Adams are teenagers starting for top table bundesliga teams. Gio has 10 champions league appearances already. Tyler Adams has 9. Both will add to that total in 2021-2022 assuming health.
Michael Bradley played in 0 champions league games. His European career was the eredivisie, a bottom table bundesliga team and a cup of coffee with Roma.
The best team Claudio Reyna played in was rangers. He played in 8 champions league games, all with rangers and all in the first group stage. Man city was a bottom table team when Claudio played there.
Even Clint Dempsey and Cherundolo - 0 champions league minutes between them.
I don’t mean to poopoo on the earlier generation they were our pioneers, but the kids are simply playing in another level from their forbearers.
And finally I’ll get on my hobby horse and finish by saying Beasley has the best club resume of Dempsey, Claudio, cherundolo, and Bradley.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:51 am to ned nederlander
I wouldn't put Adams and Reyna on the same level of experience and accomplishments. Adams is 22 years old and has played over 13k professional minutes. Reyna only has about 3k minutes.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 5:53 am
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:30 am to Broski
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Clint's resume heading into his first World Cup cycle wasn't better than Adams and Reyna's heading into their first World Cup cycle.
Clint had just finished playing his 1st season in MLS when he played his first WCQ match. Only had 2321 pro minutes (all in MLS) to his name, and he was already 21 or 22.
And that was pre-Beckham MLS, not 2021 MLS.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 8:36 am
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:20 am to pvilleguru
Is there a thread for the CONCACAF Nations League roster? I like the team Berhalter picked for once. Left a couple guys out but now they’ll be starters at the Gold Cup so more experience
Posted on 5/25/21 at 2:13 pm to pvilleguru
That is fair. But as a bit of a counter point sergino dest has only played 3500 career first team minutes. the moment sergino dest became a regular starter for Barcelona his resume vaulted to the top because it’s Barcelona. For me playing at such a level trumps a longer career played at lower levels.
Dortmund and Leipzig certainly aren’t Barcelona, but they are teams that expect to play in the knock out stages of the champions league. For me their brief tenure at that level is more impressive than a Dempsey at Fulham or cherundolo at Hannover.
Dortmund and Leipzig certainly aren’t Barcelona, but they are teams that expect to play in the knock out stages of the champions league. For me their brief tenure at that level is more impressive than a Dempsey at Fulham or cherundolo at Hannover.
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