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Posted on 10/10/21 at 2:37 pm to Wolfhound45
You do not understand the doctrine of the wrath of God. His children are not appointed to see wrath, which is the second half. It begins with 7th seal obviously. The Rapture is at the 6th seal at the end of the first half.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 3:10 pm to Bayoubred
quote:Sorry, but you do not understand the temporal versus the eternal wrath of God. If you applied your principle then none of the Apostles would have been martyred. We will have tribulation in this world (John 16:33 and Acts 14:22).
You do not understand the doctrine of the wrath of God.
Focus more on the doctrine of the kingdom of God (or heaven) and less on the Bride of Christ.
The first messages of John the Baptist and of Jesus Christ;
Matthew 3
1 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!”
Matthew 4
17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
We are too focused on a Westernized version of the Gospel that does not take into account the importance of the kingdom of Christ during His millennial reign.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 3:12 pm to prplhze2000
And so far all signs are society doesn’t care.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 4:11 pm to SirWinston
quote:I want their interpretation to be correct. It is the belief that I held for nearly thirty years. But the totality of the Scriptures does not support this doctrinal position. There are not two (or more) resurrections for the Saints. There is only one. And it will occur at the conclusion of the Tribulation period. To believe otherwise is to completely relegate the Olivet discourse (cf Matthew 24:1 – 25:46, Mark 13:1-37 and Luke 21:5-36) to solely the nation of Israel.
That’s how I interpret it too, most evangelicals who believe in a rapture definitely believe it would be pre tribulation
The simplest and most coherent exegesis is a single event which occurs at the end of the Time of Jacob's Trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).
Posted on 10/10/21 at 4:44 pm to Wolfhound45
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The simplest and most coherent exegesis is a single event which occurs at the end of the Time of Jacob's Trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).
This post was edited on 10/10/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 10/10/21 at 4:55 pm to prplhze2000
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Obviously the vaccine is not the mark but......
Some want to fix it to where you can't buy, sell, or even travel without the vaccine passport or card. Or hold a job or license. Or go to school. We r getting a trial run in seeing how society would operate if there was indeed such a mark
Speaking of “the mark of the beast” only a few hundred people globally will be in full knowledge of Satan’s plan. Most of the deceived participants will believe they’re on the right side of the struggle for their liberation. Here’s two simple flow charts to illustrate the struggle of good vs evil currently taking place
Sin>>>>Repentance>>>>Salvation
Oppression >>>Activism>>Liberation
Each individual needs to understand which flow chart they are flowing into.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 4:57 pm to scottfruget
Who is John Galt?
Posted on 10/10/21 at 5:00 pm to prplhze2000
Correct you are. It's sad how I've read people say they don't believe that stuff. Just keep reading and it's all laid out. It ain't that hard to see what we are going through as a trial run.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 5:02 pm to prplhze2000
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Some want to fix it to where you can't buy, sell, or even travel without the vaccine passport or card. Or hold a job or license. Or go to school. We r getting a trial run in seeing how society would operate if there was indeed such a mark
But let me guess, gotta have that mark to vote?
Posted on 10/10/21 at 5:11 pm to j1897
Wait until you have to have a vaccine to get electricity
Posted on 10/10/21 at 5:12 pm to prplhze2000
redskins game had zero, zero people wearing masks anywhere other then the NFL event staff idiots because its NFL mandated they wear face diapers.
if they arent forced into wearing face diapers then no one should be forced to
if they arent forced into wearing face diapers then no one should be forced to
Posted on 10/10/21 at 5:42 pm to Padme
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Wait until you have to have a vaccine to get electricity
I'm vaccinated so whatever. Sucks for you, better get a generator.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 5:54 pm to prplhze2000
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Some want to fix it to where you can't buy, sell, or even travel without the vaccine passport or card. Or hold a job or license. Or go to school. We r getting a trial run in seeing how society would operate if there was indeed such a mark
Thankfully most red states aren’t going for this shite
Posted on 10/10/21 at 5:58 pm to j1897
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Wait until you have to have a vaccine to get electricity
I'm vaccinated so whatever. Sucks for you, better get a generator.
Keep that sleeve rolled up, you will be required to take a booster jab every 6-12 months….lol
Posted on 10/10/21 at 5:59 pm to Wolfhound45
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With the utmost respect to those who hold this view, there is no pre-tribulation rapture. Period.
Wrong. The tribulation is Gods wrath on unbelievers.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 6:01 pm to Wolfhound45
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This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Second coming is Jesus coming to earth, while rapture is Christians going to meet Christ in the clouds.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 6:07 pm to FlexDawg
Agreed, and when he left, it was only witnessed by his followers, not the world, so just speculation that He will not be visible to the whole world at the rapture
Posted on 10/10/21 at 6:18 pm to Padme
This thread has reminded me of the left behind books.
They followed the same pattern as the walking dead tv show.
First book or two were just okay, but interesting.
Then they started to get worse. Then they got laughably bad, but you kept reading because you were like 5 books in.
Then a lot of people finally quit the series all together before the end.
It’d be interesting to have a George RR Martin quality writer take a shot at Revelation and the end times.
They followed the same pattern as the walking dead tv show.
First book or two were just okay, but interesting.
Then they started to get worse. Then they got laughably bad, but you kept reading because you were like 5 books in.
Then a lot of people finally quit the series all together before the end.
It’d be interesting to have a George RR Martin quality writer take a shot at Revelation and the end times.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 6:25 pm to Sus-Scrofa
Those books were pitiful
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