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re: Your president is ready to send the Marines after the cartels
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:21 am to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:21 am to Homesick Tiger
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Well you just listed five things you said the greatest military force in the world would have trouble with overcoming and you expect the Mexican people to do better by themselves? Nah, the good people of Mexico need some serious help.
To win this kind of fight you have to have support from the local population or it’s gonna be a tough slog. Basically it has to be thought of as a liberation, not an occupation. I just don’t see the Mexican people buying in, especially when a ton of them consider the cartels to be hero fighters.
If they change their tune, ask us for help, and are willing to sacrifice for the greater good then sure, maybe that would work. I just don’t see it right now. The cartels will use propaganda to paint us as white imperialists trying to conquer their homeland.
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Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:26 am to Samso
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Sounds like great exercise to test latest drone capabilities.
That is more reasonable. But hire it out to contractors. Course we tried that with the CIA and they become part of the problem versus the solution.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:27 am to Homesick Tiger
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And this is what would happen to God fearing Americans if the Dems and the left got their way with their gun-control bullshite. We would have no way to defend ourselves either. Maybe not as much as defending ourselves against drug cartels but against the criminal element itself. My steak knife or baseball bat would do me little good against a firearm of a thug.
Up until the early 1970's guns were perfectly legal in Mexico. Look what's happened since then.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:28 am to Apache
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apache helicopters
POS
Marines utilize cobras.
Correction:
The Navy utilizes cobras.
They loan them to the Marines.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:29 am to bamarep
This is how you clean up the border. Shouldve been done 4 presidents ago, instead of all the middle east crap.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:29 am to SD Tider
You make some valid points, but Mexico has proven it will not fight for themselves. Boots on the ground need to be well numbered and grouped together. Soldiers captured will not end well for the soldiers. Cartel would take lives of many innocent before we could get it under control but unfortunately that is what it will take at this point. It's an ugly truth.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:29 am to bamarep
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LOL at you guys thinking the cartels could last a week against the Marines. They wiped out the entirety of the Iraqi military in like three days. There's nothing on the earth that could stop a fully engaged US military. Nothing that wouldn't kill the rest of us in the process anyway.
I mean...yeah, no traditional military force like the Iraqi army stands a chance against our military obviously. That’s not the problem though. The problem is a large well-organized guerrilla insurgency conducting attacks in crowded urban areas or on remote isolated outposts. Now you can easily overcome that if you don’t care about civilian deaths, but this isn’t total warfare with our nation’s freedom on the line like WW2. As much as people complain, we’re just never going to call in an air strike on an entire neighborhood block in order to kill a few gunmen. It’ll be the same old door to door fighting like in Iraq, and there will be casualties. We’d probably still win, but then you’d be dealing with a lot of casualties, a destabilized Mexican government, and constant retaliatory attacks.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:29 am to bamarep
This would actually be a war worth fighting.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:30 am to bamarep
And we should have at least 500 miles coast land just for our efforts.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:32 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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You make some valid points, but Mexico has proven it will not fight for themselves. Boots on the ground need to be well numbered and grouped together. Soldiers captured will not end well for the soldiers. Cartel would take lives of many innocent before we could get it under control but unfortunately that is what it will take at this point. It's an ugly truth.
Agree 100%. I fully think we’d win, but the cost in terms of casualties, civilian deaths, and money seem pretty daunting.
And yeah, any soldiers captured by the cartels (which would be inevitable) can expect to be gruesomely tortured and killed in creative fashion while being live streamed most likely. That would probably just piss us off though.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:33 am to bamarep
I like the idea of eliminating the cartels but how many failed nation building experiments do we need to witness before we learn.
The Cartels control governments at the local, state, and federal levels in multiple Central and South American nations. Eliminating them in Mexico will create a huge destabilizing power vacuum. Other Cartels will rush to take the place of the disrupted ones, and factions from within will fight for power. We don't want that to happen immediately adjacent to us while our border is still an un-secure patchwork.
A better solution would be to decriminalize their product. It would force them to be legitimate.
The Cartels control governments at the local, state, and federal levels in multiple Central and South American nations. Eliminating them in Mexico will create a huge destabilizing power vacuum. Other Cartels will rush to take the place of the disrupted ones, and factions from within will fight for power. We don't want that to happen immediately adjacent to us while our border is still an un-secure patchwork.
A better solution would be to decriminalize their product. It would force them to be legitimate.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 8:34 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:35 am to SD Tider
You establish a 20 miles buffer zone patrolled by tens of thousands of troops. You enter the zone you die. End of story.
Solves cartels and illegals problem with one action.
Solves cartels and illegals problem with one action.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:36 am to SD Tider
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To win this kind of fight you have to have support from the local population
And that's the issue. Mexicans ultimately have to take responsibility for themselves. Supplying us with drugs is massive big business obviously.. billions of our dollars go back into their economy. They ultimately have to take responsibility for themselves and develop their economy.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:37 am to BlackAdam
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like the idea of eliminating the cartels but how many failed nation building experiments do we need to witness before we learn.
We're not building a nation, we're eliminating vermin that killing US citizens.
The already functioning Mexican government is only strengthened by the elimination of the cartels.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:41 am to bamarep
'Bout time. The cartels are already waging war in the USA, why wait for the Mexican Presidente' to ask? Go straight to him and tell him we're coming, so either help, or get the hell out of the way and let the USMC do their job.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:46 am to bamarep
From what I keep hearing it is destroying their tourism industry. Why go to a place where you could be murdered?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:49 am to bamarep
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We're not building a nation, we're eliminating vermin that killing US citizens.
The already functioning Mexican government is only strengthened by the elimination of the cartels.
That is naiveté. The Mecixan government is comprised of corrupt politicians who either answer to or are part of the Cartels. If you knock out the Cartels the Mexican government would crumble.
Eliminating the Cartels is going to create a humanitarian crisis. That is what happens every time a strongman is bitch slapped by the US. Do you want to see a bunch of warlords fighting for leftovers and scattering Mexican citizens? Where do you think those will end up? Do you think the Central and South American Cartels will just sit back or do you think they will prop up some of the remnants or just move in outright?
If you think this doesn't result in a nation building exercise you are fooling yourself. Are you ready to spend a trillion dollars rebuilding Mexico? I don't care to do that.
Secure the border. Reform our immigration process so it is quick and easy for good and industrious people to get in. Let south of the border sort their own mess out.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:50 am to Hogbit
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POS
Marines utilize cobras
No slack in light attack
HMLA squadrons at Pendleton and always near the border flying.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:52 am to FLTech
get good intel
bomb the mansions
poison the fields
take out the rats as they run or fight
then follow the money to the US
bomb the mansions
poison the fields
take out the rats as they run or fight
then follow the money to the US
Posted on 11/5/19 at 8:53 am to teke184
I think you mean El presidente, no
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