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re: Young U.S. Men Joining Russian Churches Promising "Absurd Levels of Manliness"

Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:33 am to
Posted by Lt. Columbo
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:33 am to
All of you should come home to the Orthodox Chruch, whether as part of the Orthodox Church of America, Antiochian, Greek, Russian, ROCOR, Serbian chueches etc.

This the original and true faith handed down by The Apostles, preserved by the fathers. Please consider doing as St. Philip said: "Come and see", attend a local Liturgy and stay afterwards for coffee hour and fellowship to ask any questions you may have.
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:35 am to
I'm sure you guys are great but no thanks.
Posted by dickkellog
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:37 am to
In a YouTube video, a priest is championing a form of virile, unapologetic masculinity.

Skinny jeans, crossing your legs, using an iron, shaping your eyebrows, and even eating soup are among the things he derides as too feminine.

so that's a yes for you on skinny jeans and plucking your eyebrows?
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:40 am to
Orthodoxy is great.

Some theologians state it’s the closest thing we have to the way the early Christians worshipped.

The “absurd manliness” thing mentioned, I have no idea what that means. Maybe it’s a reference to traditionalism. But the way it’s described is pretty odd.
Posted by FriendofBaruch
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:44 am to
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That's a part of the problem.

One side picked rituals and the other side picked preaching and in some ways made them idols. The Church needs them both.
OR

Our modern America culture needs to add the underlying concept being offered here - manliness, toughness, devotion to family, following gender roles that have stood for all human history
Posted by Lt. Columbo
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:44 am to
Its described like that to smear Orthodoxy, since the media sees it as tied to Russia.

Orthodoxy will bring out masculine virtues in men and feminine virtues in women, but not in the twisted way that the article intends to mislead
Posted by bluestem75
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:49 am to
1- Young men are starving for mentors and role models. Every man must assert himself against the feminine in some way starting with the difficult step of breaking away from his mother. Because so many young men live with single mothers, they have no familial support from a father, so breaking away from the feminine sphere can seem like they’re completely on their own on the other side.

2- The dearth of men’s spaces (destroyed by feminism) creates a void as well. The young man, asserting himself and breaking from the feminine sphere, has nowhere to go to belong to a group where he can just be a man separated from the presence of women.

3- We live in a spiritually degenerate age where all forms of religion and spirituality are criticized, made fun of, and discouraged. No wonder young men and fathers are thirsting for something that helps them find their place in the universe and seek a way to tap into a power greater than themselves. I say, who cares how they get in the door? The only other option that seems to value masculinity is Islam and so many of their sects are nothing more than anti-western death cults who treat women like they don’t exist.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:53 am to
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Some theologians state it’s the closest thing we have to the way the early Christians worshipped.
I know the Orthodox members will say that, but when you compare them to the earliest writings in Christianity, it is clear that much of their liturgy and elaboration of worship grew and developed over nearly 1000 years and then remained mostly stagnant after the split with the Western church. The Didache and other early writings display a simple worship within the Church.

I’m glad young people are rejecting the theological liberalism that has crept into modern Evangelicalism, but they should seek the true gospel from faithful churches instead.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:53 am to
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Its described like that to smear Orthodoxy, since the media sees it as tied to Russia.

Orthodoxy will bring out masculine virtues in men and feminine virtues in women, but not in the twisted way that the article intends to mislead


Sometimes Columbo is needed to clear up some shite that should be obvious but apparently isn't.

Isn't this from the BBC? I think I remember that but I am not going back to look.

I would trust this church (and I am in no way religious nor seeking) wayyyyyyyyyyy more than the BBC.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23398 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:06 am to
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So now there’s something wrong with the Orthodox Church?

There is in Ukraine, apparently the government there is trying to shutdown the Ukrainian Orthodox Church for being too closely aligned with the Russian Orthodox Church.
Posted by theballguy
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37317 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:12 am to
None of what you say is wrong but if any of you have ever fallen for any of this stuff, I don't know what to tell you.

You're not victims unless you believe yourself to be.
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 9:15 am
Posted by WildernessTraveler7
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:33 am to
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The Didache and other early writings display a simple worship within the Church.


Interesting you reference the Didache and worship. I think you need to read the entire thing - it’s short. The Didache EXPLICITLY lays out the Holy Mysteries that Orthodox observe faithfully, including Baptism, Eucharist, prayer, fasting, and anointing with oil.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:39 am to
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Interesting you reference the Didache and worship. I think you need to read the entire thing - it’s short. The Didache EXPLICITLY lays out the Holy Mysteries that Orthodox observe faithfully, including Baptism, Eucharist, prayer, fasting, and anointing with oil.
I have read it, and it lacks the complexity of liturgy that the Orthodox Church practices today. Most if not all of the other elements of worship it provides are adhered to by other churches, as well, so the Orthodox don’t have a monopoly on worship.

My point, though, was that a lot of changes occurred since the time of early church.
Posted by WildernessTraveler7
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:03 am to
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Most if not all of the other elements of worship it provides are adhered to by other churches


What “churches” do identify as believing AND practicing what the Didache instructed re: the Eucharist?

I’ll reference just one line from the Didache, “On the Lord’s day, when you have been gathered together, break bread and celebrate the Eucharist”. Only two jurisdictions celebrate the Eucharist every Lord’s Day…Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics.

As you can see, this is just one teaching and tradition the Orthodox have never diverted from yet all of Protestantism has.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:08 am to
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Tate Bros

Nobody should listen to the sexual predator muzzie’s
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:18 am to
The definition of “manliness” is pretty vague…
It has little or nothing to do with political philosophy or, for that matter, religion…
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:38 am to
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Another grift.

This gives me an idea. Create a church where Sunday School is divided between men and women. Women study motherhood, cooking, and homemaking. Men's Sunday School will be in a dungeon-like weight room. Bind physical strength with moral and spiritual strength. Afterwards, the families come back together for the main service where what they learned is tied together by scripture. Since most churches nowadays are just money-making operations anyway, I think this could be a good business model. If nothing else, it could force families back into traditional gender roles.
Posted by the808bass
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 11:31 am to
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It has little or nothing to do with political philosophy or, for that matter, religion


It certainly has no union with Progressivism which describes masculinity as toxic.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
21281 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 1:50 pm to
Feminist ideology has entered the Western churches. Good luck getting traditional masculine men to buy into that foolishness. If I wasn’t already Catholic I could understand why it wouldn’t appeal to me. I’m saying this as someone who loves the Catholic Church.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 5/25/25 at 2:17 pm to
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What “churches” do identify as believing AND practicing what the Didache instructed re: the Eucharist?

I’ll reference just one line from the Didache, “On the Lord’s day, when you have been gathered together, break bread and celebrate the Eucharist”. Only two jurisdictions celebrate the Eucharist every Lord’s Day…Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics.

As you can see, this is just one teaching and tradition the Orthodox have never diverted from yet all of Protestantism has.
Many Reformed and Presbyterian churches observe the Eucharist every Lord’s Day.

Reading through the Didache illustrates that no denomination does everything written in there with exactness, however it provides interesting insight into at least one example of early worship. I only mentioned it because the Orthodox and Catholic Churches have created a lot of elaboration in their worship that go beyond the simplicity of worship described in that document.
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