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re: Wuhan Institute of Virology Created COVID-19-Like Virus In 2007
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:08 am to RCDfan1950
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:08 am to RCDfan1950
Why would they release it in Wuhan right near their lab? Why not send a "volunteer" over here have him infect himself and then go out and about? That provides little means to blame China if done that way.
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:12 am to uppermidwestbama
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OP, this isn't anything new
Thank you for the Earth-shattering contribution that virology and related bioresearch is not a new field.
What is new is construction of a massive bioresearch lab in a society where the state of medicine is two parts Pangolin Penis Powder and one part Penicillin.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:16 am to NC_Tigah
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/psa-when-bioweapons-escape-containment/88232505/
What if China or any nation did NOT release it...
This would be a great way to create chaos and start a war by an independent (invisible) faction...
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Message ThinePreparedAni Air Force Fan In a sea of cognitive dissonance Member since Mar 2013 7542 posts Online
PSA: when bioweapons escape containment
Posted on 1/24/20 at 1:04 pm
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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/quote:
Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China's biowarfare program By Bill Gertz - The Washington Times - Sunday, January 26, 2020quote:
The deadly animal-borne coronavirus spreading globally may have originated in a laboratory in the city of Wuhan linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, said an Israeli biological warfare analyst. Radio Free Asia last week rebroadcast a Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, known the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.quote:
Work on biological weapons is conducted as part of dual civilian-military research and is “definitely covert,” he said in an email. Mr. Shoham holds a doctorate in medical microbiology. From 1970 to 1991, he was a senior analyst with Israeli military intelligence for biological and chemical warfare in the Middle East and worldwide. He held the rank of lieutenant colonel. China has denied having any offensive biological weapons, but a State Department report last year revealed suspicions of covert biological warfare work.quote:
One ominous sign, said a U.S. official, is that false rumors circulating on the Chinese internet claim the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons. That could indicate China is preparing propaganda outlets to counter any charges that the new coronavirus escaped from one of Wuhan’s civilian or defense research laboratories.
Projection... A common play in the grand game...
What if China or any nation did NOT release it...
This would be a great way to create chaos and start a war by an independent (invisible) faction...
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 8:20 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:17 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
quote:Journal of Virology
Not discounting you, but how did you find that article? I tried searching on the ASM JoV and it doesn't show up.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:19 am to Northwestern tiger
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I work with viruses and my lab does these sort of experiments. This doesn’t proof at all COVID-19 was engineered as a bio weapon.
Just saying
This. Odds are strongly in favor this virus naturally evolved. This isn’t a James Bond movie.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:21 am to Jake88
Likely accident, J. Then again...your point is a perfect argument/alibi against a release being willfully and strategically so. Trump is wrecking China's future; they know given their numbers...that will wreak havoc on their Ideological-based control. Already having 'protest', I heard.
I also heard that if all information is on the table, they can track the Virus back to original sources. Don't know if that's true, but if so, and they turned it loose in the US...then WE would have all the evidence. Just saying...the Chinese Marxist have shown what they are capable of re their own people. So just what is it that they wouldn't do, for the 'Cause'. "Whatever it takes".
Way over my head.
I also heard that if all information is on the table, they can track the Virus back to original sources. Don't know if that's true, but if so, and they turned it loose in the US...then WE would have all the evidence. Just saying...the Chinese Marxist have shown what they are capable of re their own people. So just what is it that they wouldn't do, for the 'Cause'. "Whatever it takes".
Way over my head.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:24 am to RCDfan1950
quote:That's my thought as well, if it didnt really come from that market.
Likely accident, J.
quote:Would still be safer to blame on us. H1N1 started in either Mexico or the US.
Then again...your point is a perfect argument/alibi against a release being willfully and strategically
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 8:25 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:26 am to Upperaltiger06
There were reports that the doctors there were selling used test animals to the market in Wuhan for people to eat. Made some extra cash that way.
It’s easy to assume then that they created a virus, injected it into a few bats, they “tested negative” and the researchers sold the infected things to the Wuhan market when they were done.
The live bats hang out in a cage until they get eaten, infecting people.
It’s easy to assume then that they created a virus, injected it into a few bats, they “tested negative” and the researchers sold the infected things to the Wuhan market when they were done.
The live bats hang out in a cage until they get eaten, infecting people.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:28 am to Jake88
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Why would they release it in Wuhan right near their lab? Why not send a "volunteer" over here have him infect himself and then go out and about? That provides little means to blame China if done that way.
Or release it in the Uighur region...if it were deliberate I would expect them to do that.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:30 am to Jake88
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That's my thought as well, if it didnt really come from that market
They also disrupted their export markets and are known to be the return address.
Lot more to lose than gain from all this. Negligence / cutting corners to save z few cents, sure. They have a long history of that. Intentional? Probably not.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:42 am to Manlaw35
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nuke your lab too
Ignorance is a bliss
We have a stage 1 clinical trial in process right now to treat a human disease as a result of research in my lab.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:58 am to Upperaltiger06
quote:Irrelevant.
Odds are strongly in favor this virus naturally evolved
Odds are that if a natural CV19 reservoir exists at all, it is at least duplicated behind the walls of virus research facilities in vicinity of the initial outbreak.
Now then, if a pool of Covid-19 was being maintained (as is likely) at the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention or Institute of Virology, what odds would you give Wuhan's CV19 outbreak originating instead from Bat Soup (which is not served within 300miles of Wuhan) or pangolin scales in a local food market rather than by a Wuhan bioresearch facilities accident?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:58 am to dietcoke7
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I am not a scientist. What is the chance they were looking for a virus to target the elderly and infirm, those non productive in society.
Decrease the surplus population, just to see if it could be done, and it got out? Either accidentally or deliberately.
Cull the herd? Plenty of historical precedents for that
Culling the herd usually mean you select who lives and dies. A virus is a very inefficient way to do it because it does not discriminate. Mortality rates with this one are obviously higher for people with a decreased ability to recover, but that would likely be true for any virus.
Any nation that wants to cull the herd has many more efficient means to do it available to them.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:01 am to NC_Tigah
Except that paper has literally nothing to do with the current virus and didn’t even use a coronavirus.
Did you read it and understand it? Or did you just highlight passages with buzz words you recognized?
Additionally, are you aware that the base mixture of HIV pseudo virus/HeLa cells isn’t a mad scientist move, but a fundamental molecular genetic technique in mainstream use for 25+ years globally.
Did you read it and understand it? Or did you just highlight passages with buzz words you recognized?
Additionally, are you aware that the base mixture of HIV pseudo virus/HeLa cells isn’t a mad scientist move, but a fundamental molecular genetic technique in mainstream use for 25+ years globally.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:05 am to NC_Tigah
Those fricking ping pong bat eating fricks gave the government all the ammo it needed to make a peaceful takeover of our once proud nation. All the people here and everywhere that subscribe to locking everyone away and consuming whatever “info” they release is deplorable and should be exiled from our nation. Best of luck to all of us, our way of life has been taken
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:06 am to NC_Tigah
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The question is whether it is a leaked product of one of their two Wuhan bioresearch labs. One of those labs, the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention, just happens to be located 280 meters from the infamous Hunan Seafood Market.
Your problem is that this paper describes modifications to a replication-incompetent HIV pseudovirus to use as a kind of animal model.
If the very low chance of recombination turning the virons component, you would have an HIV virus with a non viable infection route.
Not a airbourne flu, and not a coronavirus.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:10 am to Volvagia
quote:Except that paper was literally written in 2007.
Except that paper has literally nothing to do with the current virus and didn’t even use a coronavirus.
Did you read it and understand it?
quote:Are you aware of the significance of ACE2 non-binding to ACE2 binding conversion in a Coronavirus . . . which is at the crux of both the article and of Covid-19's human virulence?
Additionally, are you aware that the base mixture of HIV pseudo virus/HeLa cells isn’t a mad scientist move
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:14 am to Willie Stroker
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Any nation that wants to cull the herd has many more efficient means to do it available to them.
Such as?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:16 am to NC_Tigah
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Are you aware of the significance of ACE2 non-binding to ACE2 binding conversion in a Coronavirus . . . which is at the crux of both the article and of Covid-19's human virulence?
1) SARS has predominant ACE2 activity. It’s not unique, and therefore not an obvious sign of artificial tampering.
2)They didn’t convert or work with coronaviruses. Your lack of understanding this is why I suggested you didn’t read the paper (Or understood it)
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:17 am to NC_Tigah
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Now then, if a pool of Covid-19 was being maintained (as is likely) at the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention or Institute of Virology, what odds would you give Wuhan's CV19 outbreak originating instead from Bat Soup (which is not served within 300miles of Wuhan) or pangolin scales in a local food market rather than by a Wuhan bioresearch facilities accident?
The bat story is like a horror movie. It’s almost impossible. The most likely explanation is that the lab discovered the new virus looking for a local illness. Possibly for misinformation.
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