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Wrong about Afghanistan
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:28 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:28 am
I was all for withdrawing from Afghanistan as I thought after 20 years they could have at least held the major cities as a safe haven from Taliban barbarism. The rural areas were always going to be tribal…but assumed the govt and military wouldn’t let Kabul fall.
That was obviously wrong. Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open. This shite should not be allowed to happen.
That was obviously wrong. Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open. This shite should not be allowed to happen.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:29 am to SquatchDawg
We were never going to stabilize Afghanistan
It was a cash cow for the military complex
Now they’ll have to find a new one
It was a cash cow for the military complex
Now they’ll have to find a new one
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:29 am to SquatchDawg
This was going to happen eventually, though the cluster with the embassy and airport is on Biden. It should have all happened at least 10 years ago.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:29 am to SquatchDawg
I could care less about Afghanistan, glad we withdrew however, leaving our weapons, tanks, trucks, planes, etc was STUPID
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:30 am to SquatchDawg
Its about situational awareness, obviously plans had to made to get civilians and personnel out before military extraction.
Now it doesn't look like they have control of the airport.
As far as Afghanistan, frick dem, its their problem.
Now it doesn't look like they have control of the airport.
As far as Afghanistan, frick dem, its their problem.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 8:31 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:30 am to SquatchDawg
quote:
I was all for withdrawing from Afghanistan as I thought after 20 years they could have at least held the major cities as a safe haven from Taliban barbarism. The rural areas were always going to be tribal…but assumed the govt and military wouldn’t let Kabul fall.
That was obviously wrong. Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open. This shite should not be allowed to happen.
frick em. Not my problem. We have enough of a shite show going on in America for me to give two shits about them.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:31 am to SquatchDawg
Or we could have prepared for an orderly draw down.
I've heard that the Pentagon was dragging its feet when DJT announced the withdrawal, and they expected Biden to extend the deadline.
But Biden surprised them with the 9/11 deadline, and the ANF were left to defend with little preparation.
I've heard that the Pentagon was dragging its feet when DJT announced the withdrawal, and they expected Biden to extend the deadline.
But Biden surprised them with the 9/11 deadline, and the ANF were left to defend with little preparation.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:33 am to SquatchDawg
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Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open
Unlikely to have worked. The people have little will to challenge the Taliban.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:33 am to sodcutterjones
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glad we withdrew however, leaving our weapons, tanks, trucks, planes, etc was BY DESIGN
FIFY
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:34 am to gothamdawg
Don't believe the media reports.
The Taliban did not overrun Kabul.
Jim Jordan, Louie Gohmert and Rudy Giuliani are advising that it was a false flag operation and Kabul was actually overrun by BLM and Antifa.
The Taliban did not overrun Kabul.
Jim Jordan, Louie Gohmert and Rudy Giuliani are advising that it was a false flag operation and Kabul was actually overrun by BLM and Antifa.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:35 am to theunknownknight
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Now they’ll have to find a new one
Why do you think they left the weapons to purposely arm the Taliban? We will be at war in Afganistan again soon
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:39 am to SquatchDawg
quote:
That was obviously wrong. Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open. This shite should not be allowed to happen.
We could stay for 500 years and the moment we leave, the tribalism takes over again.
There are other ways to maintain peace that don't involve the USA being in Afghanistan.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:39 am to nitwit
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Don't believe the media reports. The Taliban did not overrun Kabul. Jim Jordan, Louie Gohmert and Rudy Giuliani are advising that it was a false flag operation and Kabul was actually overrun by BLM and Antifa.
Melt?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:41 am to SquatchDawg
quote:20yrs was about 18 too many.
I was all for withdrawing from Afghanistan as I thought after 20 years they could have at least held the major cities as a safe haven from Taliban barbarism.
The problem was not the pullout. The problem was/is the Biden-Milley braintrust decided to "Synchronize Retrograde" our troops prior to "Synchronize Retrograding" civilians in-theater.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:45 am to NC_Tigah
I agree with everything above.
It’s just hard to fathom how we could leave Afghanistan with the Taliban having more territory, international recognition and resources than when we got there.
It’s just hard to fathom how we could leave Afghanistan with the Taliban having more territory, international recognition and resources than when we got there.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:47 am to fjlee90
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We could stay for 500 years and the moment we leave, the tribalism takes over again.
This. It doesn't matter when the US left, it was going to happen. So, there were basically 2 options withdraw now and let the inevitable happen, or stay there for ever. The only ones that want to stay there are the ones that are profiting form the war, whether directly or indirectly.
My question is, was there a reason they pulled majority of the troops, then started packing up the embassy? Why didn't the US start evacuating the embassy and civilians before pulling the troops? Also, why do we always leave so much equipment behind? Is it so we can spend even more money next year to replace what we lost?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:50 am to Weekend Warrior79
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My question is, was there a reason they pulled majority of the troops, then started packing up the embassy
Incompetence.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:57 am to SquatchDawg
If we leave Afghanistan alone, then we really do need to control our southern border. Do you think any of those folks that the Taliban let out of prison would be more than happy to come to America to do us harm?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:59 am to SquatchDawg
Every year spent fighting there, every dollar spent fighting there, every life lost fighting there was a complete waste and was always going to be no matter how long we were there. That was the reality of the situation and until civilization advances into the 21st century there that will be the result of every outside force who tries to influence that country.
That all said the irresponsibleness of withdrawing in a manner that does not allow all of the people who allied with you to find a path to safety for themselves and their families is morally unacceptable. There are people here who think the only Afghans affected are the translators. Those people are wrong. Anyone who so much as cooked a meal for an American, cut an American's hair, or sold a rug or tea to an American is going to be on the Taliban's hit list. There was a post made in another thread by someone who thought 30,000 Afghans fleeing for political asylum was an illegitimately high number. The truth is that it is a ridiculously low number when you consider how low the Taliban is going to set the treason bar. These people deserve much better than what fate is going to deal with most of them and we need to out and out demand much more from our leaders who put these people in these positions. We need to learn our lesson and stay out of the Middle East kitchen. Our foreign policy is that asshat relative that comes over to your house every holiday insisting on helping to make the holiday meal who screws up every recipe he touches. We have to yank this foreign policy out of the kitchen and sit its arse back down on the couch in front of the football game where it belongs.
That all said the irresponsibleness of withdrawing in a manner that does not allow all of the people who allied with you to find a path to safety for themselves and their families is morally unacceptable. There are people here who think the only Afghans affected are the translators. Those people are wrong. Anyone who so much as cooked a meal for an American, cut an American's hair, or sold a rug or tea to an American is going to be on the Taliban's hit list. There was a post made in another thread by someone who thought 30,000 Afghans fleeing for political asylum was an illegitimately high number. The truth is that it is a ridiculously low number when you consider how low the Taliban is going to set the treason bar. These people deserve much better than what fate is going to deal with most of them and we need to out and out demand much more from our leaders who put these people in these positions. We need to learn our lesson and stay out of the Middle East kitchen. Our foreign policy is that asshat relative that comes over to your house every holiday insisting on helping to make the holiday meal who screws up every recipe he touches. We have to yank this foreign policy out of the kitchen and sit its arse back down on the couch in front of the football game where it belongs.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:06 am to SquatchDawg
Absolutely nothing wrong with getting out of that shithole. Doing it in the most stupid, incompetent, half-arse way is what it wrong here. Our country isn’t broken, our federal government is.
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