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Wrong about Afghanistan

Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:28 am
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14179 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:28 am
I was all for withdrawing from Afghanistan as I thought after 20 years they could have at least held the major cities as a safe haven from Taliban barbarism. The rural areas were always going to be tribal…but assumed the govt and military wouldn’t let Kabul fall.

That was obviously wrong. Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open. This shite should not be allowed to happen.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57293 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:29 am to
We were never going to stabilize Afghanistan

It was a cash cow for the military complex

Now they’ll have to find a new one
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10354 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:29 am to
This was going to happen eventually, though the cluster with the embassy and airport is on Biden. It should have all happened at least 10 years ago.
Posted by sodcutterjones
Member since May 2018
1243 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:29 am to
I could care less about Afghanistan, glad we withdrew however, leaving our weapons, tanks, trucks, planes, etc was STUPID
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:30 am to
Its about situational awareness, obviously plans had to made to get civilians and personnel out before military extraction.

Now it doesn't look like they have control of the airport.

As far as Afghanistan, frick dem, its their problem.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 8:31 am
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11098 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:30 am to
quote:

I was all for withdrawing from Afghanistan as I thought after 20 years they could have at least held the major cities as a safe haven from Taliban barbarism. The rural areas were always going to be tribal…but assumed the govt and military wouldn’t let Kabul fall.

That was obviously wrong. Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open. This shite should not be allowed to happen.


frick em. Not my problem. We have enough of a shite show going on in America for me to give two shits about them.
Posted by gothamdawg
NYC
Member since Nov 2015
958 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:31 am to
Or we could have prepared for an orderly draw down.

I've heard that the Pentagon was dragging its feet when DJT announced the withdrawal, and they expected Biden to extend the deadline.

But Biden surprised them with the 9/11 deadline, and the ANF were left to defend with little preparation.
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
32889 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open

Unlikely to have worked. The people have little will to challenge the Taliban.
Posted by Oswald
South of the St. George Buffer Zone
Member since Aug 2011
3466 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:33 am to
quote:

glad we withdrew however, leaving our weapons, tanks, trucks, planes, etc was BY DESIGN

FIFY
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12234 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:34 am to
Don't believe the media reports.
The Taliban did not overrun Kabul.
Jim Jordan, Louie Gohmert and Rudy Giuliani are advising that it was a false flag operation and Kabul was actually overrun by BLM and Antifa.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167220 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:35 am to
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Now they’ll have to find a new one



Why do you think they left the weapons to purposely arm the Taliban? We will be at war in Afganistan again soon
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7835 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:39 am to
quote:

That was obviously wrong. Given that there needed to be a residual multi National force i Kabul to keep this from happening and our AF base should have remained open. This shite should not be allowed to happen.


We could stay for 500 years and the moment we leave, the tribalism takes over again.

There are other ways to maintain peace that don't involve the USA being in Afghanistan.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
12375 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Don't believe the media reports. The Taliban did not overrun Kabul. Jim Jordan, Louie Gohmert and Rudy Giuliani are advising that it was a false flag operation and Kabul was actually overrun by BLM and Antifa.


Melt?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123887 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:41 am to
quote:

I was all for withdrawing from Afghanistan as I thought after 20 years they could have at least held the major cities as a safe haven from Taliban barbarism.
20yrs was about 18 too many.
The problem was not the pullout. The problem was/is the Biden-Milley braintrust decided to "Synchronize Retrograde" our troops prior to "Synchronize Retrograding" civilians in-theater.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14179 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:45 am to
I agree with everything above.

It’s just hard to fathom how we could leave Afghanistan with the Taliban having more territory, international recognition and resources than when we got there.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16367 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:47 am to
quote:

We could stay for 500 years and the moment we leave, the tribalism takes over again.

This. It doesn't matter when the US left, it was going to happen. So, there were basically 2 options withdraw now and let the inevitable happen, or stay there for ever. The only ones that want to stay there are the ones that are profiting form the war, whether directly or indirectly.

My question is, was there a reason they pulled majority of the troops, then started packing up the embassy? Why didn't the US start evacuating the embassy and civilians before pulling the troops? Also, why do we always leave so much equipment behind? Is it so we can spend even more money next year to replace what we lost?
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7835 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:50 am to
quote:

My question is, was there a reason they pulled majority of the troops, then started packing up the embassy


Incompetence.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24740 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:57 am to
If we leave Afghanistan alone, then we really do need to control our southern border. Do you think any of those folks that the Taliban let out of prison would be more than happy to come to America to do us harm?
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
13938 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:59 am to
Every year spent fighting there, every dollar spent fighting there, every life lost fighting there was a complete waste and was always going to be no matter how long we were there. That was the reality of the situation and until civilization advances into the 21st century there that will be the result of every outside force who tries to influence that country.

That all said the irresponsibleness of withdrawing in a manner that does not allow all of the people who allied with you to find a path to safety for themselves and their families is morally unacceptable. There are people here who think the only Afghans affected are the translators. Those people are wrong. Anyone who so much as cooked a meal for an American, cut an American's hair, or sold a rug or tea to an American is going to be on the Taliban's hit list. There was a post made in another thread by someone who thought 30,000 Afghans fleeing for political asylum was an illegitimately high number. The truth is that it is a ridiculously low number when you consider how low the Taliban is going to set the treason bar. These people deserve much better than what fate is going to deal with most of them and we need to out and out demand much more from our leaders who put these people in these positions. We need to learn our lesson and stay out of the Middle East kitchen. Our foreign policy is that asshat relative that comes over to your house every holiday insisting on helping to make the holiday meal who screws up every recipe he touches. We have to yank this foreign policy out of the kitchen and sit its arse back down on the couch in front of the football game where it belongs.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13343 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:06 am to
Absolutely nothing wrong with getting out of that shithole. Doing it in the most stupid, incompetent, half-arse way is what it wrong here. Our country isn’t broken, our federal government is.
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