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re: Would you be OK with sacrificing your son's life in another Middle East war?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:08 am to NikolaiJakov
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:08 am to NikolaiJakov
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If America sits on the sidelines when evil is on the move, millions will die. At least by intervening we determine who the casualties are.
This is a great point, and an area where we learned from history. If we would have attacked Germany when they re-militarized the Rhineland, they would not have caused a world war and any war that broke out from it would have beat Germany fairly quickly. Instead Western Nations bowed to German aggression and let them build their war machine for 3 more years before invading Poland.
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:08 am to AuburnTigers
Write in someone.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:09 am to Stuckinthe90s
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This is a great point, and an area where we learned from history. If we would have attacked Germany when they re-militarized the Rhineland, they would not have caused a world war and any war that broke out from it would have beat Germany fairly quickly. Instead Western Nations bowed to German aggression and let them build their war machine for 3 more years before invading Poland.
Why is it always the US who has to deal with it though?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:10 am to airlinehwypanhandler
No
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:11 am to beerJeep
quote:Does your wife?
I don’t have a son.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:12 am to SCLibertarian
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Military interventionism is gospel in America. John Q Public is under the belief that the United States has a moral obligation to police the world, when in reality it's an excuse to continue wars that make the political class and their donors filthy rich.
This is true and this has been well known since post WWII when Ike warned of a growing and powerful military industrial complex and the JBS’s Richard Welch (or Welsh I can’t remember) warned of this symbiotic relationship between politicians and arms makers that would eventually lead to our downfall.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:14 am to LewDawg
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Does your wife?
I don’t have one of those either
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:16 am to airlinehwypanhandler
I don't think any parent has ever been okay with sacrificing their son's life in any war America has ever fought. So this is a stupid question.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:17 am to airlinehwypanhandler
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Why do we have troops over there to begin with?
We have troops in over 70 countries abroad. The reason? We learned one hell of a lesson from the cold war. If we are not there, Russia or China will be. Russia has shown time and time again that they will enter any and every vacuum of power in order to expand their global reach. China recently with the belt and road initiative has also take a foreign policy of setting rules and expectations on neighboring countries and in any country they feel they can bully and take power from. The best example of this is how they have take control of large assets in Africa such as ports and airports in Zambia.
Believe it or not, there are plenty of countries and dictators out there that would try to take over the world if they feel like they have the opportunity. And luckily our constitution makes it nearly impossible for our president to try and do that on his own. With that sort of check and balance, that makes us the most responsible/realistic country to be the world super power.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:17 am to airlinehwypanhandler
Considering my oldest just enlisted in the Bullet Sponge Brigade(Marines) this topic has been on my mind.
Anything preemptive I do not support.. Now if its a retaliatory strike I'm better with it..
Anything preemptive I do not support.. Now if its a retaliatory strike I'm better with it..
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:18 am to NikolaiJakov
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If every American had your attitude we'd all be speaking Russian right now.
You cannot have peace when evil men are doing evil things to your citizens, soldiers, or allies.
If America sits on the sidelines when evil is on the move, millions will die. At least by intervening we determine who the casualties are.
I didn't know Bolton posted on this board.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:18 am to airlinehwypanhandler
I don't know why we need to nation build over there. No troops on the ground. If we want to frick something up in the ME, our Air Forces and Navy should be able to handle it. Very, very minimum casualties for us. We blow it up, and let the bastards fix it themselves.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:19 am to Stuckinthe90s
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This is a great point, and an area where we learned from history. If we would have attacked Germany when they re-militarized the Rhineland, they would not have caused a world war and any war that broke out from it would have beat Germany fairly quickly. Instead Western Nations bowed to German aggression and let them build their war machine for 3 more years before invading Poland.
Oh there are many many more examples of this but, most recently, the one that all Americans should be familiar with is how we allowed Al Qaeda to grow and prosper in Afghanistan, even arming them against the Soviets, only to have them come back and inflict one helluva karma kickback on us 25 years later.
No long term great power has ever allowed military action or build ups by a competitive nation state and lasted .... not ever. The Romans were as successful as they were for as long as they were because they crushed hostile competition with prejudice and they would go out of their way to do it.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:20 am to airlinehwypanhandler
There are too many conservatives who are viewing this issue in absolute terms. It’s actually one of the weaknesses of many conservative positions.
My response is this in a nutshell, peace requires deterrence and deterrence is nuanced.
If you don’t think that the theocratic ideology of radical Islam is an existential threat that requires deterrence, then you are blind.
Determining what is the appropriate strategy overall, or the necessary response to provocation, requires flexibility with strength of conviction. You cannot have a pre-determined policy of “no more wars in the ME”.
Besides, quit thinking that all wars/battles are the same.
Having said that, it’s a necessary critique and extremely important to note that “nation building”, “winning the hearts and minds” , and “making space for democracy” are failed concepts regarding war in the Middle East, and so when crafting a policy objective, those failures should loom large.
My response is this in a nutshell, peace requires deterrence and deterrence is nuanced.
If you don’t think that the theocratic ideology of radical Islam is an existential threat that requires deterrence, then you are blind.
Determining what is the appropriate strategy overall, or the necessary response to provocation, requires flexibility with strength of conviction. You cannot have a pre-determined policy of “no more wars in the ME”.
Besides, quit thinking that all wars/battles are the same.
Having said that, it’s a necessary critique and extremely important to note that “nation building”, “winning the hearts and minds” , and “making space for democracy” are failed concepts regarding war in the Middle East, and so when crafting a policy objective, those failures should loom large.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:21 am to TheFonz
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I don't know why we need to nation build over there. No troops on the ground. If we want to frick something up in the ME, our Air Forces and Navy should be able to handle it. Very, very minimum casualties for us. We blow it up, and let the bastards fix it themselves.
This is how we should handle Iran is they launch a preemptive attack. IMO
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:24 am to airlinehwypanhandler
It’s not your choice first off. My dad didn’t want me joining and was really upset when my number was called to go to Afghanistan. It was my decision, and i would absolutely make the same one if i had to do it again. I firmly believed we didn’t need to be there, but i did it for my country, and when you make the decision to serve, you do what your country needs you to do.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:36 am to Jumbo_Gumbo
I find it fascinating that the smartest libertarians in the room can look back in history and assume that if we bring everybody home then all wars will be over and everyone can go about their lives.
If we don't check Iran, how many rogue states will feel empowered to obtain nukes. Once they have them, we can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. Why do they want nukes? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DESTROY US. Same reason Russia wanted them.
If they give us a reason to strategically bomb them even further into the stone age, we should absolutely make them regret it as a deterrent for every dictatorial a-hole who thinks a nuke would allow him to dictate terms to us.
If you want to sit back and let the world dictate terms to us, that's your prerogative. I prefer that we are in control so we set the terms. Whether you realize it or not, we are still the strongest force for good in this world.
If we don't check Iran, how many rogue states will feel empowered to obtain nukes. Once they have them, we can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. Why do they want nukes? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DESTROY US. Same reason Russia wanted them.
If they give us a reason to strategically bomb them even further into the stone age, we should absolutely make them regret it as a deterrent for every dictatorial a-hole who thinks a nuke would allow him to dictate terms to us.
If you want to sit back and let the world dictate terms to us, that's your prerogative. I prefer that we are in control so we set the terms. Whether you realize it or not, we are still the strongest force for good in this world.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:44 am to airlinehwypanhandler
No.
Would I be willing to sacrifice my son to stop Hitler, or anyone?
No.
Would I be willing to sacrifice my son to stop Hitler, or anyone?
No.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:46 am to airlinehwypanhandler
The boomers dont care. They love war
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:49 am to SCLibertarian
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Military interventionism is gospel in America. John Q Public is under the belief that the United States has a moral obligation to police the world, when in reality it's an excuse to continue wars that make the political class and their donors filthy rich
Exactly. You get it. Sadly the war brigade on here doesn't. They dont care though. As long as its rural and inner City poors dying they'll watch from their man caves screaming MURICA WOOO WE NUMBER ONE!!!
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