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re: Would you be in favor of destroying infrastructure even if it leads to civilian deaths?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:57 am to tiger789
Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:57 am to tiger789
The objective of war is and should always be victory. Name a war civilians weren't damaged. I can tell you a countless list of non war civilian execution
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:58 am to Ingeniero
I'll turn that question around. Does the US current adversary care how many civilian deaths it is responsible for? No, they do not. I believe in an eye for an eye. We can be more selective in nature and target infrastructure and minimize civilian losses, I agree, but Iran doesn't care who or what they hurt/kill. UN chair says what POTUS wants to do is likened to war crimes....when will he hold the Iran regime to the same standards?
Iran is playing by "Rules for thee, but not for me". That's not a level playing field. Sometimes you need to level the playing field with strategic bombing.
Linebacker in Vietnam brought the North Vietnamese to the table. It works. Nagasaki and Hiroshima brought the proud Japanese to the table (I'm not saying we need to go nuclear on Iran), but it worked and in the meantime it actually minimizes losses. The Iran regime DOES NOT CARE ABOUT CIVILIAN DEATHS! The UN is playing pattycakes with this situation.
Iran is playing by "Rules for thee, but not for me". That's not a level playing field. Sometimes you need to level the playing field with strategic bombing.
Linebacker in Vietnam brought the North Vietnamese to the table. It works. Nagasaki and Hiroshima brought the proud Japanese to the table (I'm not saying we need to go nuclear on Iran), but it worked and in the meantime it actually minimizes losses. The Iran regime DOES NOT CARE ABOUT CIVILIAN DEATHS! The UN is playing pattycakes with this situation.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:59 am to gumpinmizzou
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an extreme escalation based on what has gone on so far.
How is it an extreme escalation?
Iran has been hitting civilian targets in their country and in other countries the entire time.
And Iran has threatened the desalination and power plants of countries that are not even involved.
This would be us matching their actions so far.
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 10:59 am to SallysHuman
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You are aware of the 7-20k+ citizens the IRGC killed BEFORE we officially entered the chat, are you not?
Those killings were and are abhorrent, but they also have nothing to do with America.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:02 am to JiminyCricket
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Could you elaborate on your position here?
We did not have to do thi. We crippled their nuke program (Trump's words) and they were no offensive threat to US. To Israel? Sure, but that is not my issue. Israel can defend themselves. It was not a war that had to happen.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:02 am to SallysHuman
quote:They're not concerned with that, Sally. Orange man bad -- all the time. All the time -- orange man bad.
You are aware of the 7-20k+ citizens the IRGC killed BEFORE we officially entered the chat, are you not?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:02 am to sorantable
I don't have to like what will happen to the civilian population, but it is a necessary evil of conflict.
If you want regime change, this is the only way. If you don't keep the Basij and IRGC from being able to move heavy equipment and mechanized vehicles, any uprising has no chance. If you allow the power and infrastructure to stay intact, the mechanisms that the regime uses to stay in power stay in place. Not doing so means that you are sentencing any uprising to failure before it even has a chance to take hold.
The fact that the regime wants to essentially use its populace as a shield for infrastructure is a tactic as old as mechanized warfare. That is an unfortunate aspect of war that we have forgotten in the new modern surgical conflicts we tend to see on TV.
If you want regime change, this is the only way. If you don't keep the Basij and IRGC from being able to move heavy equipment and mechanized vehicles, any uprising has no chance. If you allow the power and infrastructure to stay intact, the mechanisms that the regime uses to stay in power stay in place. Not doing so means that you are sentencing any uprising to failure before it even has a chance to take hold.
The fact that the regime wants to essentially use its populace as a shield for infrastructure is a tactic as old as mechanized warfare. That is an unfortunate aspect of war that we have forgotten in the new modern surgical conflicts we tend to see on TV.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:03 am to sorantable
quote:I'm good with that as long as we never help any other countries or worry about humanitarian aid. Shake?
Those killings were and are abhorrent, but they also have nothing to do with America.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:05 am to sorantable
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Those killings were and are abhorrent, but they also have nothing to do with America.
Is this thread not about potential deaths from infrastructure wrecking?
Also, I was specifically replying to SFP saying that "we" are responsible for civilian deaths in Iran.
Lastly, these crazies have their people and even children lined up and around their power plants and bridges to "protect them".
We've already jumped in with both feet, Trump needs to figure out and effectuate a solution.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:08 am to AUveritas
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How would you feel if it were you and your family?
It is not.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:08 am to Ingeniero
We're creating a new generation of terrorists one bomb at a time.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:08 am to RoyalWe
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They're not concerned with that, Sally. Orange man bad -- all the time. All the time -- orange man bad.
I remember when OMB was catching flack for not jumping in sooner- what with the slaughtering of their citizens.
Almost like it was last.... two months ago?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:14 am to Ingeniero
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"The Iranian people want to be free. They have lived in a world that you know NOTHING about."
For 47 years, my people have endured systematic torture, rape, murder, humiliation, anxiety, suppression, and grief under the Islamic Republic. It’s been a long, grinding suffering — punctuated by brutal spikes like the January protests, mass executions, and now war. The world has no idea of the scale or depth of these horrors. Only when this evil regime finally falls will the full truth pour out — in quality and quantity that will shock humanity.
We have now reached a point where almost no cost is too great if it rids us of this regime. Because the cost of it staying in power is infinitely higher.
If you’re reading this and you can’t understand how any Iranian could feel relief at their own country losing a war and getting bombed… I envy you. You have never lived what we have lived. You have never watched your people, friends, family, and loved ones get tortured, raped, or killed almost daily and over half a century. You have never seen an entire nation slowly but brutally suffocated like this.
We tried every alternative imaginable: massive protests, dissent, peaceful reform, negotiations — everything. None of it worked. The regime’s answer has always been bullets, gallows, and more terror.
Now, less than 24 hours before Trump’s deadline, I write this with a heavy heart from inside Iran:
Whatever happens next — if there is still an Iran left to save and this regime is gone — the Iranian people will be happy with the result. No matter the cost. Because the cost of the regime remaining is higher, and for many of us, death itself is preferable to another day under this nightmare.
This is the true sentiment of the majority of Iranians — the voice of a people who often have no internet, no platform, and no way to be heard.
The world will soon understand why we say:
Anything to be free. Anything to end this evil
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:23 am to Ingeniero
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Would you be in favor of destroying infrastructure even if it leads to civilian deaths?
I can’t possibly answer that question until I am actually in a position to make that decision, armed with knowledge / facts that I don’t, and may never, have.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:They, muslims will always be our enemy. Their religion & beliefs dictate that American's, our culture, freedoms and liberties, our acceptance of varying religions will always be opposite of the muslim belief structure.
Based on the history of our incursions in the ME, why would you ever think they won't blame us? We have a LONG history of engaging in these acts that kill civilians and the survivors and the family of the dead blame us and become our enemies.
They will now be an enemy with less power to destroy us.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:24 am to Ingeniero
Who would send their kid to be a human shield?
Oh yeah, democrats and anti Trumpers.
Oh yeah, democrats and anti Trumpers.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:25 am to JiminyCricket
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My family in Iran and I fully support this war and endorse President Trump's resolve to obliterate the murderous Islamic Republic regime.
Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING is scarier for Iranians than the regime surviving—not bombs and not the destruction of any infrastructure.
We know that this war is not against the people of Iran but against one of the most dangerous terrorist regimes ever existed.
Iranians have made up their minds: we want this regime gone and Prince Reza Pahlavi to return to his country to help us make Iran great again
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:28 am to Ingeniero
Would you be in favor of radicalized islamists procuring a nuclear weapon and then used it, resulting in the deaths of millions of innocent civilians?…
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:29 am to Ingeniero
The greater question is how would Iran treat us if they were militarily superior?
I think they would drop raisins and gumdrops on us. They would render humanitarian aid at every corner. Free haircuts
I think they would drop raisins and gumdrops on us. They would render humanitarian aid at every corner. Free haircuts
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:32 am to Ingeniero
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Do not lose your nerve. Do not be afraid.
The narrative you are seeing right now is a complete illusion.
The voices currently being amplified online are fake, manipulated, and engineered by the cyber army of this cannibalistic regime.
They have locked us in a digital prison and severed our connection to the world specifically so they can control the narrative and project a false sense of fear and submission.
We are not cowering in the dark. We are watching a dying terrorist syndicate thrash in its final days.
Do not judge the resolve of the Iranian people based on the fabricated noise of our captors. Wait until these walls come down. Wait until this internet blackout is broken and you can finally hear the unfiltered, undeniable roar of a nation that has been stripped to the bone.
You will see exactly what an unstoppable force looks like.
Hold the line. Level the playing field and we will finish the job
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