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re: World GDP rose by 35% over the last 10 years yet GDP of USA was a modest 28%
Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:59 pm to TigerDoc
Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:59 pm to TigerDoc
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Expecting the U.S. service economy to grow like industrializing China or India is like expecting a retired marathon runner to keep setting personal records just because a teenager who just bought their first pair of sneakers is suddenly sprinting everywhere. At a certain point, economies are not going to grow that fast.
I’m not expecting us to keep up with China or India. We are below the average of the top 20 though.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:01 pm to TigerDoc
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Expecting the U.S. service economy to grow like industrializing China or India is like expecting a retired marathon runner to keep setting personal records just because a teenager who just bought their first pair of sneakers is suddenly sprinting everywhere
I cut 15 minutes off my half marathon. Those Kenyans are only getting better by like 3 seconds at a time. They must suck at this running thing
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:01 pm to Ingeniero
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If you have 1 billion dollars and make another 100 million, but some homeless Somalian goes from a net worth of $1 to $2, did he end up better than you because his net worth grew by 100
According to Robin masters he outperformed you by 90% and the US is the laughing stock of Somalia
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:01 pm to Robin Masters
If you compare us to similar economies as ours, we're growing faster.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:02 pm to Robin Masters
Have you ever heard of convergence theory or the concept of the developing world?
Of course countries like India, China, and Indonesia are posting higher GDP growth rates—they’re starting from much lower baselines. When a nation transitions from agrarian poverty to industrialization, you’ll naturally see larger percentage gains. That’s not a failure of the U.S.—it’s a sign that global capitalism is doing exactly what it’s supposed to: lifting more people out of poverty.
The U.S. already has a mature, service-based economy. Sustained 2–3% annual GDP growth from a $25 trillion base is an entirely different animal than 6% growth in a $3 trillion economy. Absolute gains matter more than relative percentages. In fact, the U.S. has added over $5 trillion to its GDP in the last decade—more than the entire GDP of most of the countries on that list.
This isn’t a race where someone has to lose for others to win. It’s not zero-sum. Global growth driven by free markets, trade, and innovation is a rising tide that can lift all boats—if we don’t torpedo ourselves with economic illiteracy.
Of course countries like India, China, and Indonesia are posting higher GDP growth rates—they’re starting from much lower baselines. When a nation transitions from agrarian poverty to industrialization, you’ll naturally see larger percentage gains. That’s not a failure of the U.S.—it’s a sign that global capitalism is doing exactly what it’s supposed to: lifting more people out of poverty.
The U.S. already has a mature, service-based economy. Sustained 2–3% annual GDP growth from a $25 trillion base is an entirely different animal than 6% growth in a $3 trillion economy. Absolute gains matter more than relative percentages. In fact, the U.S. has added over $5 trillion to its GDP in the last decade—more than the entire GDP of most of the countries on that list.
This isn’t a race where someone has to lose for others to win. It’s not zero-sum. Global growth driven by free markets, trade, and innovation is a rising tide that can lift all boats—if we don’t torpedo ourselves with economic illiteracy.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:06 pm to Hayekian serf
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Hayekian serf
You know your stuff
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:08 pm to Ingeniero
Between this thread and the "Did the Economist" thread tonight, they're not sending their best
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:08 pm to Hayekian serf
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course countries like India, China, and Indonesia are posting higher GDP growth rates—they’re starting from much lower baselines. When a nation transitions from agrarian poverty to industrialization, you’ll naturally see larger percentage gains. That’s not a failure of the U.S.—it’s a sign that global capitalism is doing exactly what it’s supposed to: lif
Again, I wouldn’t expect to match growth of China and India. However we do not appear to be matching growth of the rest of the industrial world. As I expressed in the OP.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:13 pm to Ingeniero
how is it possible not to understand this?
oh wait....
oh wait....
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:17 pm to beaux duke
Tomorrow I might start a thread on Ricardian comparative advantage. Me and my new Austrian school buddy are gonna recreate that dunk pic of LeBron and DWade on the 2010 heat
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:21 pm to Robin Masters
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However we do not appear to be matching growth of the rest of the industrial world
The rest of the world we're behind in growth is able to do fast catch-up growth because they're able to adopt innovations created by advanced countries that they don't have (like better tech, and adding high-yield infrastructure like building airports, advanced ports, bridges, roads, other infrastructure that we developed long ago). We have invest more for lower growth because for us to grow, we're innovating and that's more expensive and slower than copy-cat. It's apples and oranges.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:34 pm to TigerDoc
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The rest of the world we're behind in growth are able to do fast catch-up growth because they're able to adopt innovations created by advanced countries that they don't have (like building airports, advanced ports, bridges, roads, other infrastructure). We have invest more for lower growth because for us to grow, we're innovating and that's more expensive and slower than copy-cat. It's apples and oranges.
Again, I don’t think matching the avg growth rate of the rest of the world is too much to ask. We seem to be well below it. But maybe I’m the crazy one. I’ve been wrong before…summer of 96 if I remember correctly. It was a Tuesday.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Do you realize how impressive this is for the US?
Hint: when you start from a big number, % growth is much more difficult.
Hint: we started at #1 10 years ago
Yup, there's no one to help us catch up, no tech we can mass import or steal, no vast uneducated army.
The fact that we ripped along at 28% compared to the other leading economies (Seriously check the other EU and Asian countries) ROK and USA have been flying.
And unlike ROK we haven't terminally declined our birth rate yet.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I actually did some napkin math for people who don't math good
Ironically, your percentage math ignored percentages.
While you do need more growth, you have more workers to produce that growth.
That's literally why you look at this through the lens of percentages. But it doesn't paint the narrative you want it to paint, so of course you're going to play dumb.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:53 pm to Robin Masters
This might be one of the stupidest OP's I have seen in this forum over the past week, and that is putting it amongst some half-witted Hall of Fame posts.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Every % of growth for us was harder than anyone else,
And we still almost kept pace with the world, given that difficulty.
It's amazing
20% off is not "almost kept pace".
I cannot figure out if you are an idiot or you just think everyone else is.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:55 pm to Robin Masters
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Again, I wouldn’t expect to match growth of China and India. However we do not appear to be matching growth of the rest of the industrial world. As I expressed in the OP.
Name another large, developed economy that has outgrown the U.S. year over year over the last twenty years. Go ahead and find that for me, numbnuts.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 12:10 am to Robin Masters
In the last ten years, my small business has grown by over 1,000%. Sounds impressive until you realize that my starting point was pretty frigging low.
A lot of the countries you listed started low, so of course their numbers are easier to pop off the page when you give certain stats.
This reminds me of people who bashed Kansas after the tax cuts saying that their employment rate didn't rise as fast as everyone else, or even their neighboring states. Well, yeah, they had high employment already...higher than the national average and higher than their neighboring states.
This is NOT to say America is doing fantastic. Government and cronies have thrown all kinds of sand in the gears of progress. Just pointing out how insanely misleading stats can be.
A lot of the countries you listed started low, so of course their numbers are easier to pop off the page when you give certain stats.
This reminds me of people who bashed Kansas after the tax cuts saying that their employment rate didn't rise as fast as everyone else, or even their neighboring states. Well, yeah, they had high employment already...higher than the national average and higher than their neighboring states.
This is NOT to say America is doing fantastic. Government and cronies have thrown all kinds of sand in the gears of progress. Just pointing out how insanely misleading stats can be.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 12:12 am to Robin Masters
The reason for underperforming the world is because China and India, the two fastest growing economies, together have over a third of world population and they’ve been moving from minimal economic production to moderate production. This is no reason for us to melt.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 12:14 am to Robin Masters
God forbid developing nations catch up
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