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Women's Professional Sports in Europe
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:00 pm
The Ronda Rousey thread give rise to a series of related questions.
Clearly, the WNBA survives on subsidies from the NBA, but WNBA players spend their summers playing professionally in Europe ... where they are paid far more than their WNBA salaries.
Is the women's league in Europe self-supporting? If not, who is subsidizing that league? If so, why can women's basketball support itself in Europe, but not in the US?
Clearly, the WNBA survives on subsidies from the NBA, but WNBA players spend their summers playing professionally in Europe ... where they are paid far more than their WNBA salaries.
Is the women's league in Europe self-supporting? If not, who is subsidizing that league? If so, why can women's basketball support itself in Europe, but not in the US?
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 2:01 pm
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Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:09 pm to AggieHank86
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International teams tend to have more government and corporate financial support than those in the W.N.B.A., which helps explain the higher salaries.
LINK
WNBA has a salary cap too.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:14 pm to AggieHank86
Most women's pro basketball players in Europe make like $60-70K per year. They are definitely not paid more than the WNBA
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:17 pm to StrongOffer
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They are definitely not paid more than the WNBA
Their superstars can make 1-1.5 million where the WNBA has a cap.
Their leagues are subsidized by govt and industry, and has no upper cap limit. However, the "wage discrepancy" and income inequality are higher.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:25 pm to StrongOffer
quote:Well, that is rookie salary in the WNBA, and even the stars are capped at a bit less than $250k. Those same stars earn more than $1mm per summer in Europe.
Most women's pro basketball players in Europe make like $60-70K per year. They are definitely not paid more than the WNBA
So, are you saying that the European teams have a small payroll ... EXCEPT for the WNBA folks they bring across the pond?
Griner's team (UMMC Ekaterinburg) had TWO WNBA players (at least). The two of them had a combined salary exceeding $2.5mm.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:This statement isn't necessarily true tho. While they may offer a few American players more than the WNBA to attract them, the vast majority of players aren't making more in Europe. Not to mention Russia and China are where most of those big contracts were coming from. Not exactly England and Denmark.
International teams tend to have more government and corporate financial support than those in the W.N.B.A., which helps explain the higher salaries.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I would like to read about this, and Google is not helping. Do you have a link to get me started?
Their leagues are subsidized by govt and industry
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:29 pm to AggieHank86
Maybe I'm misunderstanding y'all's question and point. Messi is getting paid more in the MLS than he did in France. It still wouldn't be correct to ask why is the MLS able to pay more than European clubs? ...They don't. It's just a couple players they pay to help promote the game.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:07 pm to StrongOffer
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding y'all's question and point. Messi is getting paid more in the MLS than he did in France. It still wouldn't be correct to ask why is the MLS able to pay more than European clubs? ...They don't. It's just a couple players they pay to help promote the game.
Pretty sure Messi's salary is less in Miami than with PSG.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:10 pm to AggieHank86
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why can women's basketball support itself in Europe, but not in the US?
Because the WNBA sucks
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:18 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:He's making almost double in Miami. Plus talks of ownership stake.
Pretty sure Messi's salary is less in Miami than with PSG.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:25 pm to AggieHank86
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Is the women's league in Europe self-supporting?
I don't know about all of Europe, but many of the eastern/central European nations, including Russia, have an actual market for women's sports. As in they have actual fans who attend their events for women's basketball, volleyball, etc.
So its possible that the some of the women's leagues over there are more self-sufficient and prosperous than the WNBA, which has like 16 organic fans.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:26 pm to AggieHank86
No one wants to see flailing defense and missed layups.
It’s not that difficult.
It’s not that difficult.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:28 pm to AggieHank86
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Is the women's league in Europe self-supporting? If not, who is subsidizing that league? If so, why can women's basketball support itself in Europe, but not in the US?
1. They're not paid more in Europe but significantly less.
2. The costs to run and market the league are significantly lower than the US.
-They don't have to market in major US cities, fly private for games, pay for in-game amenities.
US sporting events are a larger affair than European events. European basketball is less maintenance than a college basketball game.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:32 pm to StrongOffer
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Messi is getting paid more in the MLS than he did in France.
This can't be true.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 4:26 pm to Mo Jeaux
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This can't be true.
its not, he made more for barca and psg.
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Messi earned more than $100 million a year in playing salary and bonuses while at Barcelona. His pre-tax salary at Paris Saint-Germain the past two seasons was roughly $70 million annually, including bonuses. Messi definitely left money on the table to come to MLS, as he could have earned a reported $400 million a year to play in the Saudi Professional League.
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Messi’s Miami deal is worth between $50 million and $60 million per year from his salary, signing bonus and equity in the team. It is on par with what the top earners in the NBA and NFL make in salary. Two-time NBA MVP Nikola Jokic’s current deal is worth $55 million a year on average, while 2019 NFL MVP Lamar Jackson is at $52 million.
And he said the move wasnt about the money, he would have gotten more in saudi.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 7/31/23 at 4:50 pm to AggieHank86
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Is the women's league in Europe self-supporting? If not, who is subsidizing that league? If so, why can women's basketball support itself in Europe, but not in the US?
Why do you ask questions to which no one cares about the answers?
Posted on 7/31/23 at 4:52 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:Kaiju, some people clearly find the topic interesting. If you are not among them, you certainly have my permission to ignore the thread.
Why do you ask questions to which no one cares about the answers?
Posted on 7/31/23 at 5:08 pm to AggieHank86
Oh, I didn't need to ask which is why I didn't.
But here's an idea... if YOU care so damn much, why not do a bit of research on the topic yourself?
Or are you just virtue signaling for snorts and giggles?
But here's an idea... if YOU care so damn much, why not do a bit of research on the topic yourself?
Or are you just virtue signaling for snorts and giggles?
Posted on 7/31/23 at 5:33 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:This sort of projection is just weird.
Or are you just virtue signaling for snorts and giggles?
Women's professional sports leagues obviously do not generate interest here. It appears to generate interest in Europe. I suspect that there is some interesting sociological reason as to why that is the case, so I ask for opinions.
And you insist upon seeing "virtue signaling." It is like you are completely incapable of seeing ANYTHING outside the prism of team politics. It is just ... strange.
Personally, I think it MIGHT be that there is less of a gap between the men's leagues and the women's leagues over there, for two reasons. We drain the best of their male talent to come here and play in the NBA, while they are syphoning the best female talent from here to play in their women's leagues. But that is just speculation, which is why I was interested in other opinions.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 5:40 pm
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