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Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:34 am to Monahans
The U.S. government has been protecting Epstein since his first plea deal. He had dirt on both parties.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:35 am to SlidellCajun
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Maybe it’s not a “list” but there are names which the government used to put Epstein and Maxwell in jail.
They sealed the grand jury testimony too.
Now we’re told there is nothing to see
Women testified at trial against Maxwell. Some got to use pseudonyms but one testified under her real name.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:43 am to boogiewoogie1978
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That's who you start an investigation. Is it not?
Shortest episode of CSI ever.
Detective: "Hey, we've busted a guy who traffics women and probably blackmails people over it."
Supervisor: "Do we have locations?"
Detective: "Yeah, he had a big home, a townhome and a private island. We searched them and found all sorts of sketchy shite."
Supervisor: "Do we know the people he trafficked to?"
Detective: "Not at all. There's this list of people he associated with and who visited his residences, some of them quite regularly, but frick if I know what to do with that."
Supervisor: "That sucks. Can't win'em all."
roll credits
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:44 am to EastWestConnection
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Ghislaine's father had deep ties to Mossad. Acosta was told Epstein "belongs to intelligence". Maybe there was not a list of peoples names numbered 1-500 or whatever, but there were logs, videos, pictures, audio, whatever all kept for the purpose of blackmailing political and business leaders.
Ghislaine’s father’s ties to Mossad does not necessarily mean she was under their control. It’s possible that merely emboldened her to think she knew enough to also get away with criminal behavior.
In my law enforcement career, “belonging to intelligence” can range from cooperating in the form of debriefing to actively working as an asset. It’s possible that Epstein merely debriefed during his first conviction and chose not to continue a relationship with intelligence agencies. It’s quite obvious now that whatever intelligence agency he worked with did not protect him.
Is there any evidence Epstein ever blackmailed anyone? Surely there are some people who were persuaded to visit but drew a line at diddling kids. Not everyone just decides to do it, and some get scared and back out. Those people typically come forward to protect themselves, and possibly to help trafficked children. But no one has.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:51 am to Monahans
There is... and Ghislaine Maxwell has it.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:54 am to Monahans
I can say this with absolute certainty.
If they released everything, declassified and unredacted, today, people wouldn’t trust it, and the hysteria would continue. There would be NYT hit pieces everywhere accusing the administration of hiding information and protecting powerful donors and allies.
This thing has long been beyond reality.
If they released everything, declassified and unredacted, today, people wouldn’t trust it, and the hysteria would continue. There would be NYT hit pieces everywhere accusing the administration of hiding information and protecting powerful donors and allies.
This thing has long been beyond reality.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:55 am to Willie Stroker
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Ghislaine’s father’s ties to Mossad does not necessarily mean she was under their control. It’s possible that merely emboldened her to think she knew enough to also get away with criminal behavior.
And it's also possible that she was under their control. In your law enforcement career is that a connection you would ignore?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:38 am to RohanGonzales
None of these loons will believe any list released is complete.
of course it will be scrutinized
of course it will be scrutinized
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:11 am to Flats
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And it's also possible that she was under their control. In your law enforcement career is that a connection you would ignore?
It has always been about the evidence. Never about the speculation.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:18 am to Willie Stroker
If there are no more prosecutions, there should be a special counsel or at least someone in government who goes to the public with a great degree of candor on the topic.
I don't really want this stink on Vance, but he'd be great at articulating it, which I'd expect to be something like:
- Look, we all expected that once we got access to everything we'd find a lot of loose ends to chase and likely people to prosecute
- But the reality is that a lot of the victims of Epstein don't want to be publicly known, some weren't minors (or weren't minors the entire time) and thus it's difficult for the DOJ to retrospectively apply the law to situations where neither side is going to tell us the facts.
- Some of the victims have been compensated and want to try and live their lives without this being their story.
- All of that brings us to the evidence collected. What the evidence doesn't show, from my understanding, are third parties engaging in illegal acts with minors. There is evidence showing the victims, and obviously the government is not going to put that out for public consumption. There is evidence that shows associates of Epstein in all sorts of settings, and that may or may not be damaging to their reputations, but from an exhaustive review it doesn't serve as the basis for criminal action.
and so forth
I don't really want this stink on Vance, but he'd be great at articulating it, which I'd expect to be something like:
- Look, we all expected that once we got access to everything we'd find a lot of loose ends to chase and likely people to prosecute
- But the reality is that a lot of the victims of Epstein don't want to be publicly known, some weren't minors (or weren't minors the entire time) and thus it's difficult for the DOJ to retrospectively apply the law to situations where neither side is going to tell us the facts.
- Some of the victims have been compensated and want to try and live their lives without this being their story.
- All of that brings us to the evidence collected. What the evidence doesn't show, from my understanding, are third parties engaging in illegal acts with minors. There is evidence showing the victims, and obviously the government is not going to put that out for public consumption. There is evidence that shows associates of Epstein in all sorts of settings, and that may or may not be damaging to their reputations, but from an exhaustive review it doesn't serve as the basis for criminal action.
and so forth
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:23 am to Tammany Tom
quote:Of what?
Jeffery Epstein compiled video evidence over a 30 year period.
Name the individuals whom the trafficked girls claim diddled them. Name them. The girls have testified. Other than Prince Andrew, who are those individuals?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:25 am to Monahans
Was thinking the same thing. Epstein is dead so he can’t verify the list. Maxwell is the next best bet but she could lie as well.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:28 am to onepiecemayne
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The elites protect the elites. No one is going to jail. They may argue and call each other nasty names but nothing will happen. Rich vs Poor. It's always been that way.
Mother fricking this. We need a third party that supports middle and lower class Americans.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:36 am to TBoy
quote:The girls have testified.
The suggestion that there is nothing out there has no plausible credibility.
Their testimonies are public info.
Who aside from Epstein, Maxwell, and Andrew did they name?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:43 am to NC_Tigah
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Who aside from Epstein, Maxwell, and Andrew did they name?
This is exactly where the whole thing got unraveled.
Conspiracy theories took over yet nothing has ever been presented that implicated anyone else.
The evidence that has hit a court room implicated those people.
Yet, somehow, this morphed into 1/2 of Congress and a laundry list of others.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:52 am to Tammany Tom
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All the information is out there.
no, it's actually not.
we don't have public access to his bank records. his transactions between high up people. he was a "financier" so who was his broker? there are forms for that. all sealed.
the epstein files are buried because certain people need them buried.
don't focus on who epstein wasi/is. focus on WHAT he was/is/ meaning, who were the people in the background pulling the strings.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:53 am to Tammany Tom
There you go
Still believing myth……
Still believing myth……
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:53 am to Monahans
I'm sure if there was a "list", the Biden admin just wrapped it up nicely with a bow and left it on Pam Bondi's desk to do with it as she pleased.
If there really is no there there, the Trump admin should be shifting the blame to the Biden admin, since they were the last in line in the chain of custody.
If there really is no there there, the Trump admin should be shifting the blame to the Biden admin, since they were the last in line in the chain of custody.
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