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re: Why Must You Tell A Cop If You Have A Gun In The Car? Isn't A Search Warrant Required?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:22 pm to Neutral Underground
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:22 pm to Neutral Underground
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I am talking about if you have a gun in your glovebox. Open it to get your registration and insurance. Cops see's it and then shoots you for having a gun. You never touched it, but he claims that you were "reaching for it." I have had guns pulled on me for having a knife on the back floorboard of my car. I was a Chef at the time.
It would be reasonable foe a police officer to believe you're going for a gun in this scenario. Completely and totally reasonable.
Before doing this is when you tell him about the gun.
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:23 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Do the shooters normally answer truthfully?
Are you trying to make my argument for me?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:24 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Thank God it wasn’t something unconstitutional.
If he let the cop search his car, it wasn't.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:30 pm to imjustafatkid
I said it wasn’t.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:31 pm to OysterPoBoy
My mistake. Looked like sarcasm to me. We really gotta get that sarcasm font.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:58 pm to Allister Fiend
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I guess I fail to see why it’s a problem. If youre not a threat why not at least have the officer relax.
Wife was pulled over by a EBR officer and disclosed that she had a firearm in the car (followed the law). The officer took the holster revolver back to his car then returned it completely disassembled. In my opinion, if he wanted to remove the ammo, then fine but taking it apart was an overreach.
She didbt know how to reassemble it, so she was rendered unable to protect herself after that stop…
Posted on 4/14/26 at 12:10 am to terd ferguson
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Its called "duty to inform" and depends on state law.
This is the correct answer.
I'm not saying it's right, but the courts have upheld these state laws (like other state laws that IMO are not Constitutional) in the interest of "officer safety."
The courts love officer safety.
Same reason they can order you out of the car for any reason or no reason at all during a traffic stop. Pennsylvania v Mimms
Posted on 4/14/26 at 12:18 am to greygoose
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Best practice is to keep your hands viewable and stationary until told to use them. Last thing, I want is a trigger happy, young rookie cop pulling his service weapon on me because I reached for my wallet or registration in anticipation of his request.
This is why I keep my insurance and registration in a visor pocket just above my head. Hands on the wheel at ten and two until asked for info, then inform the officer where I am going to be reaching for it.
If you start fumbling around in the glove box or the center console before they ask you to they can claim you were making "furtive movements," which they also get away with due to "officer safety," and they can search your car claiming that the movements were probable cause for you hiding something in the car.
Luckily it's been some time since I've been stopped. And I've never been stopped with a gun in the car, although if I were I would probably inform the officer it was there. Most cops are level headed enough, but you never know if you're going to get the retard rookie who over reacts or the old timer who got used to the way things were before body-cams and still thinks he can get away with anything he wants.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 12:23 am to wackatimesthree
not quite the same but 20 years ago i had been working in western co for 6 weeks. finally headed home and yea, i was hauling arse on i-70. get pulled over. i look in the mirror and the trooper is behind his open door, gun pointed at me. got the whole "driver - show me your hands and exit backward to the sound of my voice". got put to the ground and he swarmed the truck. turns out, there had been a few calls about a guy in a white suburban - like mine - beating his old lady. once they figured out it wasn't me they told me to beat it and slow down.
rattled me good. i did not have a gun.
rattled me good. i did not have a gun.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 1:24 am to Timeoday
If you have a CHCL in Arkansas, you have a duty to inform. If you don’t have a CHCL and you are following the constitutional carry rules there is no need to inform.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 3:39 am to Timeoday
A cop pulls you over because you have obviously broken the law. As he approaches your car you reach over and pop the glove compartment with a loaded gun in it and "supposedly" were just looking for registration and proof of insurance, while you moved the gun to get to the papers underneath.....and he kills you.
Officer did you ask him for his registration and insurance? Nope, I was just approaching the car and saw someone who had just broken the law, with a weapon in his hand. Case dismissed.
You dead, but you got your rights......and took them right to your grave.
Obviously some of you should never have been issued a license
Officer did you ask him for his registration and insurance? Nope, I was just approaching the car and saw someone who had just broken the law, with a weapon in his hand. Case dismissed.
You dead, but you got your rights......and took them right to your grave.
Obviously some of you should never have been issued a license
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:02 am to SallysHuman
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:04 am to Diamondawg
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Map by state
That must be a link from a trusty set of bookmarks... it's 404 now.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:07 am to idlewatcher
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It’s a he said/he said situation otherwise.
So is a speeding ticket or rolling through a stop sign.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:33 am to SallysHuman
quote:Works for me.
That must be a link from a trusty set of bookmarks... it's 404 now.
Try this
LINK
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:35 am to Timeoday
A cop can tell which people might be a threat; but for the most intelligent sociopaths like Bundy. My dog can. And the cops should always treat most all people like they are armed and a potential threat. If I were a cop they would not have to teach me this. But I would imagine that they are schooled to become very sensitive to particular red flag behaviors.
People are so crazy and egotistical now what with the culture and politics being such that it is, that any minor imposition on ‘their space’ creates a competitive dynamic. So the more Authoritarian our government necessarily becomes in order to secure relative and functional society, the more problematic interaction with authorities becomes. Interaction with a cop is always negative as there is a question of lawbreaking at its core.
I would tell a cop, if asked, that my gun is in case I need to help them and not to harm them. Due respect for a tough job. I could never be a cop. Too impulsive and split second reactionary in particular scenarios. The daily grind of seeing just how lost and dysfunctional a lot of people are would wear me down to the point of calamity.
People are so crazy and egotistical now what with the culture and politics being such that it is, that any minor imposition on ‘their space’ creates a competitive dynamic. So the more Authoritarian our government necessarily becomes in order to secure relative and functional society, the more problematic interaction with authorities becomes. Interaction with a cop is always negative as there is a question of lawbreaking at its core.
I would tell a cop, if asked, that my gun is in case I need to help them and not to harm them. Due respect for a tough job. I could never be a cop. Too impulsive and split second reactionary in particular scenarios. The daily grind of seeing just how lost and dysfunctional a lot of people are would wear me down to the point of calamity.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:38 am to imjustafatkid
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I agree with your overall sentiment, but I've seen too many videos of police officers getting shot during traffic stops to believe they shouldn't ask this question.
They can ask anything they want. You can choose not to answer.
Now, is that something I would recommend? No. But there also shouldn't be any consequences for exercising a right.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:38 am to Diamondawg
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Try this
It amazes me half the states are no duty to inform... NY being one of them is really surprising.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:40 am to Diamondawg
I don't have to but my Concealed Carry instructor told us to do is hold you DL and concealed carry permit in your left hand and put both hands on the steering at 10:00 and 2:00. If they ask to see the weapon, I will gladly show it (them). I have nothing to hide but they would likely see the one under my steering wheel on a magnet anyway. Keeps us both safe.
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