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re: Why isn't the Trinity mentioned in the bible?

Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:08 am to
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:08 am to
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I have probably read the Bible cover-to- cover more times than most people on this forum.


Serious question: Is there a single minute in the day in which you are not an insufferable doosh?
Posted by Mbeloso
Gonzales
Member since Dec 2019
577 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:08 am to
The foundation of christianity is the resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Jesus being worshiped as God (in the way we think about today) was a development that came about much later after Jesus's death.

This is actually false. A portion of 1 Cor 15 that discusses his (Jesus)showing himself to people (500) including the apostles resulted in what took place in Acts 1-2.

The Bible (New Testament) were written decades after jesus was actually on the earth. That does not invalidate the veracity of the New Testament. The church decided on what books of the bible would be included in the 3rd century.

I would suggest looking at experts who have studied the early church fathers. Athanisus, Polycarp, Ignaius and others

These guys were disciples of Jesus' disciples and they affirmed Jesus divity
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26953 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:09 am to
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Why isn't the Trinity mentioned in the bible?





So, you've never actually read the Bible, eh?

"“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19).
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26953 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:10 am to
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2 Corinthians 13:14
14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.


Luke 1:35
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Matthew 28:19
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Luke 3:21-22
21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened
22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”


You beat me to it.

OP is a fricking stooge who clearly has never actually read the Bible.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13489 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:11 am to
Genesis 1:1-2 “ In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.”

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

John 1:14 “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

John 14:16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever”

John 16:7 “ But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you”

Acts 1:8 “but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

Posted by Liberator
Ephesians 6:10-16
Member since Jul 2020
8346 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:12 am to
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Because Yeshua bar Yusef was a pious Jew seeking to reform the corrupt priestly hierarchy.

He would have been horrified at the notion that billions of people would come to see him as a deity.


WHO??

I'm not so much insulted by your delusion and lies than feeling sadness for you.

Your constant, open public hostility toward Christianity, the deity of Jesus Christ and the Gospel seems to reinforce the following scripture:

"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."


~ 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 ESV


He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

~ John 12:40 ESV

I don't know what has occurred to cause such overt hostility, but while you still live in breathe in this temporal world, your Eternal Life destination amazingly still remains on hold by the Grace of God.

Humble yourself, be repentant, and ask Jesus Christ that the Truth be revealed to you in His name. Amen.
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
4702 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:13 am to
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Jesus being worshiped as God (in the way we think about today) was a development that came about much later after Jesus's death.


I would argue that Isiah prophesized that a virgin would birth Emmanuel and Emmanuel means God With Us both in human form and after death.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:16 am to
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So, you've never actually read the Bible, eh? "“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19).
textbook confirmation bias.

The clear and unambiguous words of that verse reference baptism in the name of three separate entities.

You claim that those three entities are one, because you have been led to believe that. Nothing in the text of that verse demsnds that interpretation.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 10:16 am
Posted by Alcubierre
Member since Nov 2015
30 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:17 am to
John 1:1-5;14

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:19 am to
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I don't know what has occurred to cause such overt hostility
Objectivity, not hostility.

It arises from education and intelligence.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111495 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:20 am to
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It arises from education and intelligence.


You aren’t educated about the Gospel of John. You read a couple internet summations and you think you’re educated. You’ve just made some rando internet critics your own little pope. That’s the opposite of being educated. It’s an anti-faith which simply suits your predispositions.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:22 am to
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You claim that those three entities are one, because you have been led to believe that. Nothing in the text of that verse demsnds that interpretation.

Line upon line. Precept upon precept. Here a little. There a little. God literally states this is how he operates. Jesus says I and my father are one. I John 5:7 says they are one.

You build doctrine by putting together the whole of scripture and the picture is breathtaking and amazing in its thoroughness.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
66993 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:23 am to
I thought John of Patmos and John the apostle (who wrote the Gospel of John) were two different people.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:23 am to
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You aren’t educated about the Gospel of John. You read a couple internet summations and you think you’re educated. You’ve just made some rando internet critics your own little pope. That’s the opposite of being educated. It’s an anti-faith which simply suits your predispositions.


Jesus Christ, that was an epic takedown......

Of course he is feverishly typing a response to let you know how wrong you are.....
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:24 am to
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Objectivity, not hostility.

It's not objective to reject veracity out of hand. No other similar document has an equal historical record nor is held to the same ludicrous standard of crtliticism.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:25 am to
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I thought John of Patmos and John the apostle were two different people.

It's been stated.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41642 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:25 am to
Skepticism is not objectivity.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56342 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:26 am to
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Sounds like three distinct entities, don’t it?



You are happy to believe anything you want to believe.

With this level of simplicity in thought, it makes sense that you've landed where you have.

You aren't a Christian. That's "ok". From a political standpoint, I don't need you to be a Christian.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1752 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:26 am to
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I'm genuinely curious as to why it's not mentioned, considering it's the foundation of most modern day Christianity.


In my opinion, it’s a Roman invention designed to elevate Jesus to diety status, while attempting to conform to the first commandment of Mosaic law.

It’s really interesting to read 1 Enoch and also the Ascension of Isaiah to understand early Christian thinking. 1 Enoch in fact is the most quoted and referenced book by the New Testament though it has been deleted and declared non canonical by the early Roman church.

Early Christians were a continuation of the first temple Israelite (offshoot of Canaanite) religion, who saw the second temple religion created by Cyrus of Persia as evil. The exodus with Moses was fabricated by Persian writers, and so the Early Christians did not subscribe to Mosaic law. First temple religion was polytheistic with El Elyon, Asherah, Yahweh, and many more. They elevated Yahweh but still believed and worshipped other gods. Asherah was Yahweh’s wife, and she became the Holy Spirit in later texts (Ruach Elohim).

Earliest Christians believed Jesus was an archangel from the seventh heaven who was sent down by El Elyon in an exterior shell of human flesh and was crucified by demons in the first heaven, and his blood was spilled over the earth to purify it. Later early Christian writings turned Jesus into a man. By the time you get to John, that writer explains all the problems the synoptic gospels got wrong.

The Trinity is just further evidence of the continued evolution of the religion. They wanted to use the Jewish Bible as the foundation for understanding of the New Testament, and since they were now claiming for Jesus to be divine, they had to invent a doctrine that squared away the first commandment in the (at the time) current Jewish Bible.
Posted by Liberator
Ephesians 6:10-16
Member since Jul 2020
8346 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:27 am to
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I have probably read the Bible cover-to- cover more times than most people on this forum.


I have heard this very same claim of Unbelievers many times.

Not making this personal but The Lord in scripture repeatedly makes it clear that those with a hardened heart and blinded eyes will not be able to understand The Word of God.

This is why it's been like another language or word-salad to you, impossible to comprehend -- despite your many attempts to read the Bible.

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..most serious scholarship actually looks at both religious and non-religious sources.


Please define "serious scholarship".

For what exactly are these "serious scholars" searching for? "Historical" text of people, places and things? "Interpretation" of Scripture? Are you claiming Scripture NEEDS Academic validation? (btw, The Bible has proven to be inerrant on ALL its historical claims.)



If such "serious scholars" discount the spiritual aspect as key to understanding Scripture, they will also be blinded to its meaning.
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