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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:47 am to Enadious
quote:All three members are talked about in language of persons.
The Father is not a person. The holy spirit is the spirit (action of the Father on Earth), and not a person
These heresies have been rejected from pretty early on.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:47 am to TheHarahanian
quote:Wrong.
You’ll instantly discredit info from sources including scripture, and scholarly works produced by adherents to the religion, but you believe you’ll get unbiased information from secular sources about any religion.
I have probably read the Bible cover-to- cover more times than most people on this forum. And most serious scholarship actually looks at both religious and non-religious sources.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:48 am to RAB
quote:He is certainly someone who is capable of reading the Gospel of John, and recognizing the many ways in which it is inconsistent and incompatible with the synoptic Gospels.
a "thinking Christian" is someone who agrees with you?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:49 am to Enadious
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Jesus didn't claim to be the I Am.
John 8:25, Jews ask who he is. Jesus says the same that I said from the beginning.
After a huge discussion he finally answers plainly in verse 58 that he is the I am, Jehovah God. There's no question what he was saying and the Jews understood it clearly and reacted.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:49 am to ruffleforeskin
Because God did not run it by Abbiehonk first.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:50 am to AggieHank86
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I have probably read the Bible cover-to- cover more times than most people on this forum.
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He would have been horrified at the notion that billions of people would come to see him as a deity. When Saul took the show on the road, it became necessary to expand the movement beyond Judaism.
So your reading comprehension is at fault.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:54 am to TheHarahanian
quote:He has been blinded.
So your reading comprehension is at fault
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. -1 Cor. 2:14
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:55 am to squid_hunt
quote:Taken straight from a Sunday school class for grammar school children.
(John of Patmos was an) Apostle of Christ and last surviving member of the 12, banished to the isle of Patmos after being boiled in oil. Witness to the transfiguration and crucifixion. Steward of the mother of Jesus. But sure.
No serious modern scholar (including those within the Church) has believed this to be literal truth for a century.
For one thing, the text is written in flawless, educated Greek. The Apostle John was many things, but a Hellenic Jew was not one of them.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:56 am to AggieHank86
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and recognizing the many ways in which it is inconsistent and incompatible with the synoptic Gospels.
What ways is it inconsistent and incompatible with the Synoptics?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:57 am to AggieHank86
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Certainly you realize the inherent in validity of using Christian theology to “prove” Christian theology.
Nope, the Bible is the truth because it says it is the truth.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:58 am to AggieHank86
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the text is written in flawless, educated Greek.
Lol.
John is the equivalent of reading a newspaper in Greek. It’s not high level Greek. A third semester Greek student could plow through it with relative ease.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:58 am to AggieHank86
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's cock.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:59 am to AggieHank86
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He is certainly someone who is capable of reading the Gospel of John, and recognizing the many ways in which it is inconsistent and incompatible with the synoptic Gospels.
I would like you to list ways that John's Gospel is inconsistent with the synoptics as it pertains to the divinity of Jesus.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:00 am to AggieHank86
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No serious modern scholar
No serious modern scholar believes in Christ, the Bible, or God, so I'm not really looking for their opinion on God's word.
The Gospel of John has several instances that indicate John moved in higher circles than the average Jewish fisherman.
Having read the Bible so many times, I'm sure you caught that.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:01 am to Enadious
quote:.
2 Corinthians 1:3, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort.”
Jesus had a God, the Father. He is not the Father nor is he equal to the Father.
1 Cor 15:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Christ doesn't even reign forever. He'll become subject under the Father again when death is destroyed.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:01 am to ruffleforeskin
do you still believe that there's a fat man dressed in red that flies all over the world delivering presents?
not sure what's different than that and a guy walking on water, but............
not sure what's different than that and a guy walking on water, but............
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:03 am to the808bass
quote:This is true. John is typically the first book that students of Koine Greek jump into for translation.
John is the equivalent of reading a newspaper in Greek. It’s not high level Greek. A third semester Greek student could plow through it with relative ease.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:03 am to YouAre8Up
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:05 am to Enadious
What you're talking about is the difference between Christ's essential kingship as God vs. His mediatorial kingship as the God-man. What you quoted in 1 Cor. 15 is talking about the mediatorial kingship as God-man, where Christ received such authority as a reward for His work as a man (the God-man).
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