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re: Why does this simple truth get lost on so many people (such as jd Vance?)
Posted on 7/18/26 at 8:39 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 7/18/26 at 8:39 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Economic transactions in a market *only* take place if both individuals believe that they are better off exchanging.
The word 'believe' is not in the quote you posted. Women spend thousands of dollars on clothing they will never wear. They buy it because they BELIEVE they will wear it. It satisfies their lust to throw money away for a perceived benefit. Thus, female stupidity is a major part of our economy.
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Posted on 7/18/26 at 8:44 am to TheHarahanian
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No, my argument is to use the same tariffs
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Look at our economy compared to theirs. Look at our economic growth compared to theirs. Why would you want to follow their model?
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I don’t.
Make up your mind.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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Make up your mind.
I haven’t changed anything.
Your assumption (not in evidence!) is that I want permanent tariffs.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 8:46 am to NC_Tigah
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Meanwhile, folks like yourself turn a blind eye
I have done the literal opposite in this thread
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as you can get the stolen material real cheap.
I don't use Chinese AI models and they're free
I currently pay for 4 American models (Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT, Base44) and still have about 8 months of free Perplexity.
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You oddly call any restrictions on that process "socialist," or "leftist."
Are regulations on the market leftist or conservative economic theories?
In my 25 years on here they have always been leftist.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 8:47 am to TheHarahanian
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I haven’t changed anything.
I didn't accuse you of changing
You're making 2 conflicting arguments. I told you to make up your mind.
Do we want to follow their tariff model that has led to inferior results of our model without the same policy that has led to vastly superior results?
I clearly think our model is better and love our results.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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follow their tariff model
And I’ve explained that I’m describing temporary tariffs to bring other countries to drop their tariffs. That’s not “following a model”, it’s forcing others to play on a level field with no tariffs, as I initially described.
I will add that our “model” for more than 100 years after the founding of the country was to generate government revenue from tariffs, not income tax. So “our model” of using income tax and not tariffs isn’t some ancient tradition.
This post was edited on 7/18/26 at 8:56 am
Posted on 7/18/26 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As a teetotaling bartender deals drinks to a group of alcoholics, he quips that they tip better when they're drunk.
I don't use Chinese AI models and they're free
I currently pay for 4 American models (Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT, Base44) and still have about 8 months of free Perplexity.
quote:Let's deal with the actual question on the table rather than modifying it. Are antitheft laws "leftist"?
Are regulations on the market leftist or conservative economic theories?
Posted on 7/18/26 at 9:15 am to NC_Tigah
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Let's deal with the actual question on the table rather than modifying it. Are antitheft laws "leftist"?
Antitheft laws already exist. That's not what's being discussed.
Don't try to re-frame the argument to avoid your point being blown up.
Regulations on the free market have been considered leftist economic behaviors/theories 2004-2016
Posted on 7/18/26 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So do regulations. The fact they exist is irrelevant.
Antitheft laws already exist.
The reference is to application. Is the application of anti-theft law "leftist"?
Posted on 7/18/26 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
The astounding acrobatics one must perform to reconcile with Turd L'Orange.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 10:19 am to Bunk Moreland
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Roger
Does anyone know why he was apparently banned?
His acUte TDS has really consumed over the past 2 years. Damn near every single post was anti-Trump.
Llwhioe it was sad m witness it gave us a great window into the bowels of TDS it was unlike anything ever seen before.
Some say that is was the worse case ever seen before.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
This post was edited on 7/18/26 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/18/26 at 10:36 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
In theory, yes.
However I’ve come to the conclusion that free trade can only function properly between free markets. When one side (China) controls the capital and means of production it doesn’t function properly as the wealth isn’t flowing into the economy but instead is flowing to the State.
China and other countries figured out how to use our free market system against us. It’s up to us to figure out how to get out of it.
However I’ve come to the conclusion that free trade can only function properly between free markets. When one side (China) controls the capital and means of production it doesn’t function properly as the wealth isn’t flowing into the economy but instead is flowing to the State.
China and other countries figured out how to use our free market system against us. It’s up to us to figure out how to get out of it.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 11:26 am to SquatchDawg
quote:In some instances, it really is not that hard. The WTO, for example, has continually granted China "developing nation" status. That is so ridiculous that Xi actually voluntarily gave up some of the associated trade advantages the WTO was willing to hand out.
China and other countries figured out how to use our free market system against us. It’s up to us to figure out how to get out of it.
At the same time, the WTO has demonstrated impotence, or deliberate unwillingness, to pursue trade secret protection, counterfeiting, online piracy, and technology transfer practices in China.
So the United States simply needs to account for that. Tariffs are an excellent means to that end.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 11:34 am to SquatchDawg
quote:This describes the US as much or more than China. We not only control our capital, we control the worlds capital through our currency's desirability and manipulation. Have a look at our federal budget. Where is "wealth" accumulating?
When one side (China) controls the capital and means of production it doesn’t function properly as the wealth isn’t flowing into the economy but instead is flowing to the State.
quote:Nope. Every good we buy from China (or any other country) we buy at a massive discount because of our currency. That does great harm to their economy, devalues their labor, and makes accumulating wealth much more difficult. China would make the argument that the US is anti-free-market because the things we do to keep the dollar strong. And they have a valid point.
China and other countries figured out how to use our free market system against us.
If we wanted to "trade on an even playing field" as so many claim to want, you'd do it by devaluing the dollar. And the US would be far worse off for it.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 11:52 am to SquatchDawg
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However I’ve come to the conclusion that free trade can only function properly between free markets. When one side (China) controls the capital and means of production it doesn’t function properly as the wealth isn’t flowing into the economy but instead is flowing to the State.
The negative externalities of this policy only affect China, though.
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China and other countries figured out how to use our free market system against us.
What? How?
This post was edited on 7/18/26 at 11:54 am
Posted on 7/18/26 at 11:53 am to NC_Tigah
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So do regulations. The fact they exist is irrelevant.
They're already breaking the law via clandestine manners.
Making it illegal is all that we can do
Posted on 7/18/26 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Of course it is not all we can do. Illegal acts must entail consequence. Otherwise, those acts are de facto legal.
Making it illegal is all that we can do
The WTO has made clear it's inability, or unwillingness, to impose reasonable consequence. That leaves it to the United States to take its own consequence rendering actions.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 12:23 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:To make that argument in terms of China is laughable.
Every good we buy from China (or any other country) we buy at a massive discount because of our currency. That does great harm to their economy, devalues their labor, and makes accumulating wealth much more difficult. China would make the argument that the US is anti-free-market because the things we do to keep the dollar strong.
The dollar is the world's reserve fiat currency because it has the backing and support of the world's primary economic powerhouse. The RMB or Euro could supplant the dollar if they were deemed as stable, or as effectively backed. They simply aren't.
Regarding manipulation to strengthen our currency, one would need to compare its value, and that of others, to gold.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 12:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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Of course it is not all we can do. I
OK. We can go to war with them. I don't think that will be efficient.
Posted on 7/18/26 at 12:29 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Well you'll have to tell them they been laughable for for about 25 years.
To make that argument in terms of China is laughable.
It seems they've done pretty good using that premise to bolster their internal economy in a damn nice workaround. Are we going to pretend that QE never happened, nor the Fed buying treasuries? quote:Where did I declare otherwise?
The dollar is the world's reserve fiat currency because it has the backing and support of the world's primary economic powerhouse.
quote:I'm fully aware of the "everyone has done worse" scenario.
The RMB or Euro could supplant the dollar if they were deemed as stable, or as effectively backed. They simply aren't.
quote:Not since the gold window has closed. Inarguibly, the nomical value of the dollar has declined. So what? See "everyone has done worse" above.
Regarding manipulation to strengthen our currency, one would need to compare its value, and that of others, to gold.
This post was edited on 7/18/26 at 12:33 pm
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