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Why do so many people despise Huey P Long

Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:48 am
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:48 am

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

"There is such a thing as benevolent autocrats and devious prophets."

These come to mind while I read about Long. I'm not saying his tactics were correct, but he seemed to legitimately want to help people.

Much needed reform to education and infrastructure. Granted, it should be enacted much more legitimate to the law.

And the oil royalties fiasco was theft.

I still have more reading to do, but so far he seemed like a good man with flawed governance.

During an era of limited social mobility, I can understand why he felt the need to battle the elite. And then there's the question "if not Long, who would made very necessary populist changes."

Posted by Cajunese
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
6970 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:51 am to
Tax the heck out of the rich and give to the poor while keeping all of the state minerals for his family

Also, he declared martial law in New Orleans during an Election Day when he was on the ballot

In many cases, the man pulled stunts that rival dictators
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21908 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:51 am to
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Why do so many people despise Huey P Long


Because I hated driving across his narrow arse bridge
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22341 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:52 am to
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he seemed to legitimately want to help people.




Or maybe he saw helping people as a path to consolidate his power. But either way he is the father of the middle class in Louisiana.

If you read my post you can thank Huey P.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260665 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:52 am to
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but he seemed to legitimately want to help people.


Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48931 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:52 am to
Maybe because he’s the #1 genesis of our states pitiful record
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:54 am to
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"There is such a thing as benevolent autocrats and devious prophets."


This is why. He was an autocrat and devious prophet.
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
Member since Feb 2016
813 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:54 am to
Read up a little on the ‘Win or Lose’ Corporation. HP was about enriching himself, his friends, and their families at the expense of great harm to the state. Descendants still cash huge checks today. Much of our current poverty and political dysfunction can be traced directly back to him.

A TD poli talk thread on the subject

Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14497 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:54 am to
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still have more reading to do
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3617 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:58 am to
Gotta assume because he turned down a shite ton of oil money costing louisiana trillions over time.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18004 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:03 pm to
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Because I hated driving across his narrow arse bridge


Especially the part that was about a foot off when the two sides met.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112491 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:04 pm to
He was corrupt. Ever heard of 'the deduct box'?
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:04 pm to
As a Texan I look at Long and his family as the poster child of why Louisiana has a reputation of corrupt governance that politicians manipulated people with crumbs in order to control them and consolidate power for themselves. In truth Louisiana should be a very wealthy state being at the mouth of the Mississippi and being flush with natural resources along with fantastic people and a great cultural heritage but it is consistently at the bottom.

Long reminds me of Richard Daley in Chicago, only not as competent.

Texas has succeeded because it has such a strict state Constitution that reigns in the power of the government and makes it hard for them to get into significant mischief compared to so many other places. Ironically our biggest "boss style" politician was probably LBJ but he did his damage at the Federal level. The Texas Constitution makes it very hard for a Governor or any state official to really have much real power, we are unusual that the Lt Governor runs independently of the Governor and has arguably more real power. Also our Leg only meets for a few months every 2 years and has severe restrictions on what they can do.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19528 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:07 pm to
Your question indicates that you don't know everything you should about Long.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22341 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:14 pm to
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Louisiana has a reputation of corrupt governance that politicians manipulated people with crumbs



He gave roads and schools and free textbooks. And he also enriched his family to a loathsome degree and left a legacy of corruption that lingers to this day.. I'm pretty skeptical of the motivation behind his good works but he gave more than crumbs. You have to understand just how poor and overlooked rural Louisiana was to fully understand Huey P.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45134 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:14 pm to
He was basically a communist.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

quote:
Louisiana has a reputation of corrupt governance that politicians manipulated people with crumbs



He gave roads and schools and free textbooks. And he also enriched his family to a loathsome degree and left a legacy of corruption that lingers to this day.. I'm pretty skeptical of the motivation behind his good works but he gave more than crumbs. You have to understand just how poor and overlooked rural Louisiana was to fully understand Huey P.


I didn't say everything he did was terrible. Daley did a LOT for Chicago as well. The problem is that once you get a culture of corruption and the rule of law is more of a suggestion eventually it will end up going very badly. Texas used to be poor as hell too and it isn't like every person had their own oil well. I also don't think it is necessarily as much about Texas having great politicians so much as the structure I mentioned before that enforces limited government regardless of whether we had liberals or conservatives in charge (make no mistake, Texas had a LOT of liberals in power prior to the 90's).

I really love Louisiana and have always enjoyed going there. It's got so much beauty and potential and so many amazing people. It's just that culture of corruption has been very hard to shake and it continues to hold the state back. Did it exist before Long? Maybe, but he made it essentially into business as usual and normalized it. He may have built some roads and bridges but how many of them are falling (or have fallen) apart? Entrepreneurs and businesses want to go to places where they feel like the Rule of Law is obeyed and not bought and fair or unfair that reputation has harmed Louisiana greatly. New Orleans should be a magnet city for the young and industrious with its location and culture but instead it chases away even the folks who live there, I know so many in Texas that have fled or their family fled years ago to Texas and it is about far more than Katrina. It's sad to me for instance that I never hear Louisiana cities mentioned as places tech companies would want to move.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5344 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:33 pm to
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During an era of limited social mobility, I can understand why he felt the need to battle the elite.


Like a lot of millennials and leftists today the concept of a welfare state sounds great on paper but reality shows that paper to be completely worthless. He instituted the welfare state we still have today and look at what it is has brought over the decades. A lot of number one categories but in the worst of measurements. I said this before we have tremendous natural resources and the mouth of the Mississippi river that can move goods to 40+ states and several Canadian provinces yet other states surpass us with ease. Texas has similar natural resources but not the mouth of the Mississippi and yet we are so far behind them it's a crying shame.

People that want to do better despise Long because he gave us this welfare state that we haven't been able to break out of. Here's a little fact that welfare state lovers don't know or can't grasp - Louisiana has a large Ferrari ownership and club members who even have their own forum on Ferrarichat.com yet we are loaded with trailer parks and no Ferrari dealerships. The aristocracy here gets loaded while the peasants get scraps.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20395 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:48 pm to
I neither despise nor love Huey Long. He was no doubt one of the more interesting figures of American history. I think though, that Huey was for Huey first and foremost, and if doing something to advance himself politically also happened to help the people of the state, all the better. The only other political character in Louisiana history that could compare to Long would be EWE.

If you sent me to 1930 with my current political beliefs, I would not have been a Long supporter; but it was also a different time with different circumstances. Who knows?
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67106 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:56 pm to
He used the state’s property tax regime to steal literally tens of thousands of acres of land from private citizens and funnel it to the Long Land Corporation to lease to oil companies. His actions are the reason the state constitution bars the state from confiscating land due to unpaid property taxes.
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