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re: Why do old conservatives get mad when you tell them that SSI is welfare
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:27 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:27 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Again, none this is pertinent to the ill-informed OP.
How is the Social Security DIB program welfare?
SSI is absolutely welfare.
It is not even evident the OP recognized the distinction. He's saying "SSI", yet talking about old folks and retirement.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 3:30 pm
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:27 pm to winston318
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At least once a week, when I help out on the sales floor at our dealership.
So you’re a part-time scumbag?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:27 pm to winston318
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Why do old conservatives get mad when you tell them that SSI is welfare
Old Republicans get mad because they do not collect despite paying in to the system their whole life.
Old Dems get happy beacause they collect despite not paying in to the system at all.
Very simple.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:29 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:It kind of is because it appears that some posters do not know the difference. I am wondering if the OP knows the difference?
True, though not pertinent whatsoever to the OP.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:29 pm to boosiebadazz
How is the Social Security DIB program welfare? You have to have paid into it long enough to receive a certain number of quarters of coverage and the amount you would receive is directly related to the amount you paid in.
SSI is absolutely welfare.
Because if you get SSD, you get MORE than you otherwise would have.
Example, my uncle was a carpenter, when he was 60 years old he fell off a roof and broke both his legs. He went on social security disability. Not only was he able to sign up 5 years earlier than he would have been able to sign up for regular social security, but he got more per month than he was scheduled to get when he retired because the government figures that you need more per month at 60 than at age 65 AND that amount does not decrease when he reaches 65. Meaning that for the rest of his life he will collect more per month than he would have strictly on social security PLUS the 5 years he collected because he was disabled.
If not for that welfare, the government would have simply said "too bad, you can collect SS once you're 65"
Long story short, no SSD is not simply what you have paid in and earned.
SSI is absolutely welfare.
Because if you get SSD, you get MORE than you otherwise would have.
Example, my uncle was a carpenter, when he was 60 years old he fell off a roof and broke both his legs. He went on social security disability. Not only was he able to sign up 5 years earlier than he would have been able to sign up for regular social security, but he got more per month than he was scheduled to get when he retired because the government figures that you need more per month at 60 than at age 65 AND that amount does not decrease when he reaches 65. Meaning that for the rest of his life he will collect more per month than he would have strictly on social security PLUS the 5 years he collected because he was disabled.
If not for that welfare, the government would have simply said "too bad, you can collect SS once you're 65"
Long story short, no SSD is not simply what you have paid in and earned.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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He's talking about retirement.
This and it appears he knows not of what he speaks.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:30 pm to CAD703X
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you dont think these same people would have much preferred to invest & manage that money themselves rather than seeing it leak out of every paycheck over the last 50+ years?
You say that but I've seen very little opposition to SSI over the years. Are you saying the 65+ crowd actively tried to get rid of SSI before beginning to receive it?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:30 pm to NC_Tigah
So OP is a part-time retail salesman trying for the Trump voter zing but is actually mistaken in his OP attempting to do so.
Interesting
Interesting
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:31 pm to La Place Mike
quote:He doesn't.
I am wondering if the OP knows the difference?
That is my point.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:31 pm to winston318
I don't care what they call it as long as they don't lose my routing number and account number.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:33 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:
Example, my uncle was a carpenter, when he was 60 years old he fell off a roof and broke both his legs. He went on social security disability. Not only was he able to sign up 5 years earlier than he would have been able to sign up for regular social security, but he got more per month than he was scheduled to get when he retired because the government figures that you need more per month at 60 than at age 65 AND that amount does not decrease when he reaches 65. Meaning that for the rest of his life he will collect more per month than he would have strictly on social security PLUS the 5 years he collected because he was disabled.
I always cringe when I hear clients start with the “but my so and so” anecdote, but I’ll bite anyway.
Did he collect DIB benefits at 60 or did he start drawing his OASDI earlier?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:33 pm to cahoots
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You say that but I've seen very little opposition to SSI over the years. Are you saying the 65+ crowd actively tried to get rid of SSI before beginning to receive it?
Old people collect Social security, not supplemental income. How can you be so stupid to not know the difference after it's been explained no less than 3 times in this fricking thread?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:34 pm to SoulGlo
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you have a choice to pay taxes that go to other welfare programs?
Yeah SS is supposed to be allocated for those who paid into it. Taxes go to fund government retard. Two completely separate things.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:34 pm to winston318
because it is not means tested?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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don't think we really have to do anything. SS is going to collapse under the weight of the boomers, regardless
That’s what I’m saying but I’m skeptical because It just won’t fricking die
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:34 pm to winston318
Are you on SSI?
Let 'em have it.
Let 'em have it.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:36 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
I always cringe when I hear clients start with the “but my so and so” anecdote, but I’ll bite anyway.
Did he collect DIB benefits at 60 or did he start drawing his OASDI earlier?
I don't know what that is. All I know is that at age 60 he broke his legs and had to retire. It took him 6 months to prove he was disabled, but when he did he started collecting social security disability which paid him more per month than straight up social security would have paid him at age 65 based on his income. Further it's obvious that he started collected 5 years earlier than he would have been eligible.
Anecdote? Yes, but obviously exactly the scenario SSD is set up to take care of, it's welfare though, whether you think good or bad it IS welfare. Just not means tested welfare.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:37 pm to winston318
Wait you help out in sales and piss off customers? You sound like a great salesman
This post was edited on 11/3/17 at 9:53 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:38 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Correct.
So OP is a part-time retail salesman trying for the Trump voter zing but is actually mistaken in his OP attempting to do so.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:40 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
I guess you and I have different definitions of welfare.
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