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Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:26 pm to jamboybarry
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They’re cheap, disposable and the American public is largely dumb as frick as to what constitutes quality in residential construction
They have no clue what a square wall even looks like.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:29 pm to ArHog
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They have no clue what a square wall even looks like.
I do too; it’s vertical.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:31 pm to weagle1999
Because they will do the work rather than sit on a couch in the shade on neutral ground getting stoned.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:51 pm to weagle1999
Because no WASP will take a job that isn't middle class, there was a shortage and illegals filled it.
I thought they were middle class jobs but I remember talking to a industrial construction work in 93 I was working with and him telling me I bet you think we are all middle class but we aren't. I ask him to explain because they were making 30-40 bucks an hour. He explained they had no benefits, no insurance, no guarantee etc, they didn't get paid if it rained, etc etc and where always a paycheck or two from disaster
I thought they were middle class jobs but I remember talking to a industrial construction work in 93 I was working with and him telling me I bet you think we are all middle class but we aren't. I ask him to explain because they were making 30-40 bucks an hour. He explained they had no benefits, no insurance, no guarantee etc, they didn't get paid if it rained, etc etc and where always a paycheck or two from disaster
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:52 pm to choupiquesushi
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Because they will do the work rather than sit on a couch in the shade on neutral ground getting stoned.
This is the biggest benefit. They all work as 1 unit and not a group of individuals doing their own thing. They are very tight knit, and will close ranks and quickly run off anyone that threatens work progress and group cohesion. Unlike other groups, laziness isn't tolerated.. also, don’t forget a lot of these guys do construction during the day and then work in restaurants as cooks at night.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:07 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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This is the biggest benefit. They all work as 1 unit and not a group of individuals doing their own thing. They are very tight knit, and will close ranks and quickly run off anyone that threatens work progress and group cohesion. Unlike other groups, laziness isn't tolerated.. also, don’t forget a lot of these guys do construction during the day and then work in restaurants as cooks at night.
Working hard =/= producing quality work
Posted on 9/1/25 at 10:47 pm to ItTakesAThief
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They are cheap.
No. They live cheap. The ones with work permits know what their craft labor skills are worth per hour.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:05 pm to weagle1999
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We are supposedly not a rapidly growing country due to birthrates, so why should we think that the rate of new home construction should continue accelerating?
Because demand is there. And that’s not a figment of your imagination or a shrewd marketing ploy. That’s a cold hard fact.
I
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got blasted for questioning the ‘house as the American dream model’ so I won’t go down that road again. But I do wonder if most of what we think about houses is a product of the marketing arm of the home construction sector of our economy.
Because it’s a stupid premise. A house is the dream. American or otherwise.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:19 pm to weagle1999
No SS# = No workmans comp , no health insurance contribution , No FICA witholding , no unemployment tax.
You do the math on why contractors use them.
You do the math on why contractors use them.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:19 pm to weagle1999
Math.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:34 pm to weagle1999
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weagle1999
Your original post was kind of getting to what I was thinking. I came back a while after and it looks like you edited it to add exactly what I was thinking:
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We are supposedly not a rapidly growing country due to birthrates, so why should we think that the rate of new home construction should continue accelerating?
The massive increases in housing costs over the past ~5 years are definitely affected by the Fedgov printing money, but not entirely. We have 30m+ illegals and ~55m "legal" immigrants in this country. If multi-generational Americans aren't having enough children to maintain our population, then immigration is likely having a much larger effect on home prices than the money printers going brrrr. If there were no immigration, but still significant Fedgov money printing, then housing costs should either be decreasing, or increasing at a lower rate than food, energy, education, etc.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:43 pm to SlidellCajun
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Mexicans are some of the best carpenters, brick workers and framers I ever saw. We need more, not less
There is a legal way for them to come here and work and that’s been done for decades and decades.
What’s wrong with that now?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:09 am to SlidellCajun
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Mexicans are some of the best carpenters, brick workers and framers I ever saw.
I built a six-figure income fixing shite that they fricked up 10 years before I sold the business and retired.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:32 am to weagle1999
Cost and reliability. Subs around here are notorious for drinking on the job and disappearing during deer season.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:36 am to weagle1999
To keep labor costs down so builders could make double the cost of new construction every year
Posted on 9/2/25 at 4:54 am to IMSA_Fan
quote:I do find it interesting that as the numbers of illegal aliens and [false] asylum seekers skyrocketed so did housing construction costs.
I’ve heard construction costs on new homes in our area would run 60% higher if companies had to pay the market rate for labor (and there is a massive shortage of labor to boot). The industry just doesn’t pay enough to attract younger American workers - just like agriculture and tourism
I'm not trying to make the case that illegal, or migrant, labor is actually not cheap. I'm making the case that it indirectly plays a part in driving housing costs up.
When you have mass illegal immigration the taxpayer must foot the bill vis a vis the government. Not only does that cost in real dollars, but creates a whole mass of government jobs to support that spending. That in turn skews the jobs numbers with public vs. private employment but also increases direct spending, sometimes in support of NGOs in the form of grants. Both, labor and spending, add to inflation which increases the cost of everything- including housing costs for materials.
That's how ILLEGAL immigration exacerbates the housing crisis.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 4:59 am to weagle1999
Fast and cheap.
We live in what was once the outskirts of a DFW suburb, the builders came in and built over 3,000 houses in 3-4 years.
The Mexicans could go from a slab to completely framed up in 3 days, it was pretty amazing. They would work non stop daylight to dark 7 days a week rain or 100 degrees with no holidays.
We live in what was once the outskirts of a DFW suburb, the builders came in and built over 3,000 houses in 3-4 years.
The Mexicans could go from a slab to completely framed up in 3 days, it was pretty amazing. They would work non stop daylight to dark 7 days a week rain or 100 degrees with no holidays.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 4:59 am to tharre4
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I have nothing to back this up but I feel like we would have enough housing if we didn’t have things like 55 million H1Bs, millions if foreign university students, an 40-80 million illegals.
Bingo.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 5:01 am to weagle1999
Because developers are still breaking ground?
Ask a dumb question, get the answer deserved.
Houses are being built, new buyers purchase the houses. Someone is taking them.
My daughter works for a contractor. He has one client, a Chinese lady that never sees the house she buys. The interior decorator stays in the house, interior finished, decorated to specs. She moves out and the new owner moves in. No, Latino labor.
While I was contracting, I wish I had thought about that approach. I changed careers instead.
Ask a dumb question, get the answer deserved.
Houses are being built, new buyers purchase the houses. Someone is taking them.
My daughter works for a contractor. He has one client, a Chinese lady that never sees the house she buys. The interior decorator stays in the house, interior finished, decorated to specs. She moves out and the new owner moves in. No, Latino labor.
While I was contracting, I wish I had thought about that approach. I changed careers instead.
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