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re: Why did myself & so many others believe illegal immigrants received benefits?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:09 pm to Craig86
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:09 pm to Craig86
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Now do I believe that all people do stuff like that? Having a child is not easy and having a child is not a decision that comes lightly so no I do not believe that plus it was only like $800 per child or something small which I don't really care about it.
Minorities have absolutely been doing that for years. 30 years ago I heard some black female coworkers talking about getting an extra government check for having a kid. I think back then it was $400-$500 a month and I mentioned that a kid would cost more than that a month to raise. They didn’t care, they just wanted to get that extra check.
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:09 pm to W2NOMO
You're probably illegal yourself and you should be deported as soon as possible.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:09 pm to Craig86
We have over 20 million illegals and less than 6 million ITINs in use. That 6 million includes legal immigrants and citizens too, so keep that in mind when doing your lib math.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:10 pm to Craig86
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Crime stuff: Lower incarceration rates: In 2023, the incarceration rate for undocumented immigrants was 613 per 100,000, compared to 1,221 per 100,000 for US-born citizens
Funny story. I wanted to retire to Italy but found the process to be too cumbersome so me and 100,000 of my friends invaded illegally. Just crossed the border and meandered wherever we wanted to go. When some Italians voiced cocerns we took it to the streets, calling them xenophobes and fascists. We waved the American flag, disrupted their streets and businesses, called them out for their history of colonialism, slavery, and general meanness. We mostly peacefully protested and demanded jobs, free housing, free education, and free healthcare. We illegally voted in the elections for candidates that supported American invaders. They tried to justify deporting us because some undocumented did some things - like murder, rape, assault. But we had the numbers on our side. Only 613 of our 100,000 commited serious crimes, that's half the rate of native Eyetalians. So what's the big deal about us being here. We ain't hurtin' too many people. If one of us hadn't raped your daughter some guido probably would have anyway. I demand amnesty, dammit. Italy belongs to whomever wants to be here.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:10 pm to Craig86
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illegal immigrants don't pay taxes
Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes when they buy shite with money they earned in cash working for contractors who are the one immigrant from their village who is a naturalized US citizen and then are paid in cash - this depresses wages for American citizens and legal immigrants
Alternatively - they steal a SSN and get payroll taxes deducted and file a fake tax return using the 150 yr old’s social
Security number and takes tax credits
For his kids and gets a fake refund.
They do pay sales taxes on goods that they buy with their illegally earned money.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:11 pm to Craig86
Because it’s a lot of misinformation. Some people have posted a few things already and you glossed over it, lol. You are underreporting how much its costs to have them here. People have mentioned how California has underreported the medical costs by billions. People mentioned ERs and how expensive it is to use it for medical care. That’s just 2 areas. We aren’t even talking about potential risks of having no idea who is even in our country. Biden had millions coming in that were not vetted. We have a right to determine who gets to stay as every other country in the world does. The US has had one of the most liberal immigration policies in the world for decades. I’ll fight you tooth and nail to change this. We need to have some control over who comes in this country and for no other reason than national security.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:13 pm to Craig86
They bankrupted FEMA by paying for illegals to stay in hotels.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:13 pm to Craig86
Weren’t they getting prepaid debit cards and hotel rooms free of charge? Those are benefits.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:15 pm to Sid E Walker
I had a civil plaintiff in a case I was defending (a Katrina transplant who got kicked out of his evacuation shelter for stealing wallets, unfortunately for us an American citizen) make up a fake W2 from his buddy’s w2 employer just so he could file a tax return with it and get his “refund.”
This same dude also claimed random children on his tax return as dependents. Seriously, like his cousin’s kid and stuff.
Just bc you fill out a tax return, doesn’t mean you actually pay taxes.
This same dude also claimed random children on his tax return as dependents. Seriously, like his cousin’s kid and stuff.
Just bc you fill out a tax return, doesn’t mean you actually pay taxes.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:18 pm to Penrod
I appreciate your viewpoint, and I wouldn't paste all this and type all this and look all this up if I didn't care about it.
I'm not trying to tell people they're wrong or tell people I'm right. I just like discussing these things. I think that so many people think in black and white, they think that if you're illegal immigrant then you're going to rape everybody and if you're an illegal immigrant you're not a hard worker. That's just not true. But outside of that I wanted to see actual stats from different studies some on the right, some on the left, anything from the Cato institute, to the house budget committee.
I wanted to drill down into these numbers and really get to the bottom of it because there's got to be an answer.
When I was born I was three and a half months premature, I cost my parents $386,000 in 1986. I had heart surgery, arm surgery, neck surgery, my heart stopped at one point, I had a stroke at one year old that paralyzed the left side of my body. I was able to recover because my parents dedicated their raising of me to the highest standard.
My dad gets heated, he gets mad and he says do you think it's fair that Mom and I got screwed and we had to pay all this money and there's illegal Mexicans inside the hospital getting everything for free!?
And the answer is no of course it's not fair. But I feel like his anger is directed at the people and not at the system. The healthcare system in this country failed him,the healthcare system in this country screwed him and my mom over. Not the people coming over trying to have a better life. He should be mad at this country's healthcare system and the fact that it can't even take care of its people yet it wants to send billions to israel, ukraine, spend endless amounts of billions in foreign wars on bigger bombs. Giving tax breaks to billionaires and corporations. Well people like my mom and dad get stuck with $100,000 bills and go bankrupt and their credit goes to s***.
I'm not mad at the people getting care in the hospital I'm mad that this country doesn't even bother to attempt to not screw over its own people and then instead of acknowledging the actual problems they just blame illegal immigrants when that's a drop in the bucket.
I'm not trying to tell people they're wrong or tell people I'm right. I just like discussing these things. I think that so many people think in black and white, they think that if you're illegal immigrant then you're going to rape everybody and if you're an illegal immigrant you're not a hard worker. That's just not true. But outside of that I wanted to see actual stats from different studies some on the right, some on the left, anything from the Cato institute, to the house budget committee.
I wanted to drill down into these numbers and really get to the bottom of it because there's got to be an answer.
When I was born I was three and a half months premature, I cost my parents $386,000 in 1986. I had heart surgery, arm surgery, neck surgery, my heart stopped at one point, I had a stroke at one year old that paralyzed the left side of my body. I was able to recover because my parents dedicated their raising of me to the highest standard.
My dad gets heated, he gets mad and he says do you think it's fair that Mom and I got screwed and we had to pay all this money and there's illegal Mexicans inside the hospital getting everything for free!?
And the answer is no of course it's not fair. But I feel like his anger is directed at the people and not at the system. The healthcare system in this country failed him,the healthcare system in this country screwed him and my mom over. Not the people coming over trying to have a better life. He should be mad at this country's healthcare system and the fact that it can't even take care of its people yet it wants to send billions to israel, ukraine, spend endless amounts of billions in foreign wars on bigger bombs. Giving tax breaks to billionaires and corporations. Well people like my mom and dad get stuck with $100,000 bills and go bankrupt and their credit goes to s***.
I'm not mad at the people getting care in the hospital I'm mad that this country doesn't even bother to attempt to not screw over its own people and then instead of acknowledging the actual problems they just blame illegal immigrants when that's a drop in the bucket.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:19 pm to Craig86
So, you’re stupid and a fricking liar.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:19 pm to Craig86
You just regurgitated every pro-illegal immigrant talking point in one post. Congratulations, Mr. California.
Illegals iin no way lower crime rates. Every crime by an illegal is one that wouldn't have been committed if they were not here. They must not teach critical thinking In California.
Illegals iin no way lower crime rates. Every crime by an illegal is one that wouldn't have been committed if they were not here. They must not teach critical thinking In California.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:21 pm to bbvdd
What have I lied about dude?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:21 pm to Craig86
I say this as nicely as I can.
You are probably the dumbest person on this site.
You didn't look it up.
Some idiot posted it and you were a bigger idiot who believed it.
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
They literally fricking assumed that immigrants paid full taxes based on their income.
Even then they admit that these people aren't really paying state taxes.
Most illegals use emergency care which they then don't pay, which leads to higher rates across the board that we all pay.
You are probably the dumbest person on this site.
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I looked it up and illegal immigrants in the United States in 2023 paid: 90 billion.
You didn't look it up.
Some idiot posted it and you were a bigger idiot who believed it.
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
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We compute income for undocumented immigrants within seven income groups in each state: the bottom four quintiles as well as the next 15 percent, next 4 percent, and top 1 percent of tax units overall. We use this information to compute the tax contributions of undocumented immigrants across all tax types using the approaches described below.
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The method used in this analysis involves applying modified versions of effective tax rates obtained from three sources: the seventh edition of ITEP’s Who Pays? report, which measures the impact of state and local taxes on families at every income level (ITEP 2024), a subsequent report examining federal tax impacts by income level (Wamhoff 2024), and custom runs of the ITEP Microsimulation Tax Model completed for this study. Those tax rates are applied to the undocumented immigrant data file with adjustments as described below that reflect economic, demographic, behavioral, and statutory factors that impact the tax contributions of undocumented immigrants. In most cases, we use tax rates calculated for the non-senior population as the starting point of our analysis because 97 percent of the undocumented population is below the age of 65 and retirement income makes up an extremely small share (less than 1 percent) of the total income flowing to undocumented immigrants.
They literally fricking assumed that immigrants paid full taxes based on their income.
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Sales, excise, and most other consumption taxes
Taxes on purchases made by undocumented immigrants make up the largest share of their state and local tax contributions. These payments are made both through general sales taxes, which apply to a wide range of purchases, as well as through selective taxes levied on narrow categories of goods and services such as alcohol, tobacco, motor fuel, and utilities. These taxes on spending are often referred to as consumption taxes. While the federal government does not levy a broad consumption tax, it does tax certain narrow categories of purchases such as alcohol, tobacco, and motor fuel.
Even then they admit that these people aren't really paying state taxes.
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Average spending: A cross-sectional analysis found that Emergency Medicaid spending was about 0.4% of total Medicaid spending in 2022, averaging $9.63 per resident
Most illegals use emergency care which they then don't pay, which leads to higher rates across the board that we all pay.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:21 pm to Craig86
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:22 pm to UcobiaA
But the fact is they do far less crime than Americans do. Why don't we focus on all the Americans doing the crimes rather than the illegals that literally make up a less than half a percent of the crime? What's a bigger thing to worry about 40% or 5%?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:22 pm to Craig86
Just because they don't qualify doesn't mean they don't get
Are you new here?
Are you new here?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:22 pm to Jimmyboy
Part of the reason the dems shut the government down is because the Rs removed the billions of medicaid dollars earmarked for health services for illegals.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:23 pm to Craig86
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In 2023, an estimated $85.8 billion was sent from the U.S. to other countries through remittances, though some sources estimate the figure to be between $80-$90 billion. This makes the U.S. the world's largest source of remittances
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:23 pm to Craig86
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they think that if you're illegal immigrant then you're going to rape everybody and if you're an illegal immigrant you're not a hard worker.
Lol you’re a fricking retard. .4% of people also think this. However, every single thing you said is entirely worthless because you keep talking about numbers that should all be ZERO due to “illegal” - the ability to just ramp over the word illegal or change it to undocumented is massively impressive.
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