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re: Why can’t we control 100 mile stretch of ocean?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:12 am to SquatchDawg
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:12 am to SquatchDawg
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Thank you for this informed response.
You would’ve gotten that exact same answer word for word if you had asked it in ChatGPT too
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:12 am to Techdave
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I'm not certain that blowing up every boat that is commercially fishing or recreational boating in the area is a great idea.
I agree but it seems like if we’re actively engaged then informing the population to stay out of the strait for their own good would be reasonable.
If I was in the area I sure as hell wouldn’t be out there.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:13 am to IT_Dawg
Only if powered by NBIS.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:13 am to Tigerdew
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it's not our strait
Its not Iran's either
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:13 am to Powerman
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Pretty easy
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Powerman
Tell us your experience in defense.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:14 am to SquatchDawg
Having a great week!!
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:19 am to SquatchDawg
We can. The problem is nobody will insure the ships until they feel it’s safe. They won’t feel safe until Iran says it’s open fully
Iran doesn’t have it locked down physically, they just have to threaten the ships and then insurance won’t take the risk.
Iran doesn’t have it locked down physically, they just have to threaten the ships and then insurance won’t take the risk.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:20 am to SquatchDawg
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I agree but it seems like if we’re actively engaged then informing the population to stay out of the strait for their own good would be reasonable.
If I was in the area I sure as hell wouldn’t be out there.
Also considering US Navy isn't going to risk ships in that confined area, the only answer to defend it is by running 24-hour air coverage over the strait. That would mean putting planes in positions where their locations are known, and at risk for SAMs shooting them down.
Yeah, you can run stealth F-35s, but eventually you have to run non-stealth planes and/or helicopters to spread the workload. I guarantee this plan results in plenty of planes getting shot down.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 10:23 am
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:23 am to SquatchDawg
Modern drones redefine shallow water and coastal warfare. A cloud of 20-80 motorcycle size drones that each cost under $10,000 can take out multiple billion dollar warships, including a super-carrier. One would kill a tanker or cargo ship. These small drones can be launched from the back of pickup trucks anywhere within a couple of hundred miles. Add to that, the central government doesn’t have control of the drones, the Republican Guard does, and that control is decentralized down to regional commanders who have control of them. When we decapitated the government and Republican Guard the 1st day of this war, the IRG regional commanders launched a lot of their drones at surrounding countries according to the contingency orders they had in place.
International shipping isn’t going to risk tankers or cargo ships in an active war zone like this.
Coming up with great ways to stop these weapons and tactics is going to take time.
International shipping isn’t going to risk tankers or cargo ships in an active war zone like this.
Coming up with great ways to stop these weapons and tactics is going to take time.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:24 am to SquatchDawg
quote:Dude
Agreed but you’d have to think that launching anything would be an instant target for annihilation.
Use your head
We could probably do a really good job at taking these things out but 1 or 2 missiles sinking a ship in the straight is an L.
The question is do you think we should be able to keep literally 100% of missiles from hitting a ship.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:24 am to SquatchDawg
Really, tell me about the topography on the Iranian side and the terrain.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:30 am to SquatchDawg
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What am I missing here?
That it has to be 100% tight to work. One rocket hitting one merchant ship is unacceptable. It isnt difficult to make it mostly secure. One retard in a bass boat with an RPG is a potential bazillion dollar problem, and thats where it becomes very difficult / impossible to secure.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:30 am to FedTiger
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Modern drones redefine shallow water and coastal warfare. A cloud of 20-80 motorcycle size drones that each cost under $10,000 can take out multiple billion dollar warships, including a super-carrier. One would kill a tanker or cargo ship. These small drones can be launched from the back of pickup trucks anywhere within a couple of hundred miles. Add to that, the central government doesn’t have control of the drones, the Republican Guard does, and that control is decentralized down to regional commanders who have control of them. When we decapitated the government and Republican Guard the 1st day of this war, the IRG regional commanders launched a lot of their drones at surrounding countries according to the contingency orders they had in place.
International shipping isn’t going to risk tankers or cargo ships in an active war zone like this.
Coming up with great ways to stop these weapons and tactics is going to take time.
This guy gets it. Way too many threats to US Navy ships and commercial ships.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:32 am to Tigerdew
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The simple answer is it's not our strait to control.
I keep reading from multiple posters that's not true and that Trump controls all of the middle east, and the strait of Hormuz. Which is it?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:33 am to SquatchDawg
Also the stretch that shipping can go through is only 2 miles wide
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:35 am to Techdave
The only real solution is marines on the ground and securing the vicinity around the strait so that idiots in boats is no longer a threat. Until that happens control isn't possible.
Air strikes can only do so much without boots on the ground.
Air strikes can only do so much without boots on the ground.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:37 am to NYNolaguy1
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The only real solution is marines on the ground and securing the vicinity around the strait so that idiots in boats is no longer a threat. Until that happens control isn't possible.
Air strikes can only do so much without boots on the ground.
Agreed. Then that opens us to a true never-ending war again. Those Marines would be fired upon from every angle by Tehran Ted and the boys then run away.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:44 am to Techdave
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You obviously can't blow up every civilian boat on the coast.
Perhaps …..
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:48 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Also the stretch that shipping can go through is only 2 miles wide
That’s each lane and the lanes are separated by a 2 mile zone. So 6 miles wide.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:53 am to SquatchDawg
Cheap Drones have complicated everything
All it takes is a $20k drone loaded with explosives to get through and hit an oil tanker and cause a complete disaster. Easier than you think.
The amount of money needed to "police" that entire space Iran could attack ships like that would be pretty huge....and you always feel a bit robbed when it takes something exponentially more expensive to down a $20k drone. They could launch dozens of them at once to hit an oil tanker and we'd be lucky to get all of them shot down in time.
All it takes is a $20k drone loaded with explosives to get through and hit an oil tanker and cause a complete disaster. Easier than you think.
The amount of money needed to "police" that entire space Iran could attack ships like that would be pretty huge....and you always feel a bit robbed when it takes something exponentially more expensive to down a $20k drone. They could launch dozens of them at once to hit an oil tanker and we'd be lucky to get all of them shot down in time.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 10:55 am
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