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re: Why are we not allowing Russia to simply overrun, Ukraine?

Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:23 am to
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28208 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:23 am to
Yeah genocide!!! dumbass

But my god one arab threatens Israel and its global war, bankrupt our military stores and coffers. Whatever Israel needs we give or if they dont have the capability (or if they tell us to do it) we do it for them. Israel says jump, we say how high.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
9309 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:31 am to
Have you ever heard of arms dealing and war profiteering? The U.S. military industrial complex and warhawks are really good at it and have been doing it almost constantly for quite a long time. Endless war. That's that they want.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
9309 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:32 am to
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That’s what makes me chortle. Russia is getting its arse handed to them


No. they're not.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35845 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:01 am to
We're not allowing them to deplete our stockpiles. We send the the older generation systems through our NATO allies and replenish the allies with the current generation stuff.

Our ordinance has been quite effective againt the Russians overall. Don't believe the shite that guys like McGregor are feeding you. We have plenty of ordinance that make very big destructive explosions.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35845 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:05 am to
Apparently going for the capital which they initially tried means they only wast the Donbas and Crimea?
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16661 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:40 am to
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Bro, don't you know? If we don't stop them in Donbass Ukraine then they're going to overrun Berlin and Paris and London!


That might be the only way the EU gets rid of the muslims.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19076 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:50 am to
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Russia, sitting on a massive pile of natural resources, is attempting to protect itself from a robbery.

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Wait.... what?

Russia is sitting on huge deposits of oil, natural gas, and other minerals. Europe needs those resources. Prior to the war in Ukraine, they were purchasing them from the Russians. The fear is that with Russia's dwindling demography, they're not going to have the manpower to guard their borders. At that point Europe could theoretically just come TAKE those resources rather than purchasing them. Russia doesn't have a single neighbor that they haven't conquered or stolen land from. Their fear is that they could eventually end up on the losing end of one of those wars of conquest.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35845 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:32 am to
Down the road. Russia is facing a greater demographic implosion than even Europe. The war in Ukraine does not help. They probably want to secure their borders on the west before the problem becomes really acute.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:33 am to
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19076 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:12 pm to
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They probably want to secure their borders on the west before the problem becomes really acute.

That's exactly the plan.
Posted by Jdash13
Gonzales
Member since Jan 2023
813 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:13 pm to
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Russia is getting its arse handed to them or at minimum struggling with little old Ukraine
if you believe Ukraine is fighting the Russians alone your a fool, nearly a trillion in global money and weapons have poured into Ukraine for 42 months with no stopping in sight. Russia is fighting a hot war with NATO under the guise of Ukraine is defending themselves.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3462 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:29 pm to
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They can help the invading part.

The post I was replying too said Europe would be better off being literally invaded by Russians because they don’t let muslims figuratively invade.


Which is hilarious since Russia sends troops from their East when they can help it... and, anybody know Geography? Once you get to the Caspian Sea area, what religion are Russians? Muslim. Chechens? Muslims. 15% of the Russian population are Muslim, but among the actual troops they are overrepresented.

So Russians don't let Muslims "figuratively" invade... they send them literally to do it.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
2215 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:43 pm to
Because it was part of Russia for hundreds of years. Stalin created ukrain for administrative purposes.
Funny to read that 99% of y’all don’t know what you’re talking about. Not you specifically
Posted by MilwaukeeKosherDills
Member since Aug 2021
480 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:59 pm to
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Russia does not have the ability to do so.

Every investment Putin thought he made in his military was mostly stolen by Oligarchs. Russia's military looks good on paper but that is it. Modern weapon systems have devastated Putin's military.


More slowly, but much like 1941 and 1942, Russia (FKA USSR) is getting their stuff together. They're firing corrupt and incompetent military leaders and gearing up their industries. Think thousands of tanks in '42 and thousands of drones in 2025. Had Putin's military been as efficient in 2022 as they are now, they might have won before the end of '22.

They still have many problems to overcome such as the serious hits to their economy caused by Western sanctions, but the big Russian bear is slowly waking up.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37517 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:26 pm to
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Because it was part of Russia for hundreds of years. Stalin created ukrain for administrative purposes.
Funny to read that 99% of y’all don’t know what you’re talking about. Not you specifically
“Ukraine was part of Russia for hundreds of years” is the kind of half-baked bullshite that sounds true if you don’t know any actual history. Ukraine has centuries of distinct cultural, linguistic, and political identity. Kyiv was the capital of Kyivan Rus, a powerful Slavic state from the 9th to 13th centuries, long before Moscow, let alone Stalin, existed. After the Mongol invasions, Ukraine came under the shifting control of Lithuania, Poland, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but the people, language, and national consciousness remained intact.

The Cossack Hetmanate in the 17th century was an autonomous Ukrainian state with its own government, military, and foreign policy. It fought for and maintained independence during that era, again... well before Stalin.

Even under Russian and Soviet rule, Ukrainians repeatedly asserted their autonomy. The Ukrainian People’s Republic declared independence in 1918, right after the fall of the Russian Empire (and notably prior to Stalin’s reign). It had its own currency, army, and international diplomatic recognition until the Bolsheviks invaded and folded it into the Soviet Union by force.

So no, Stalin didn’t “create” Ukraine. He conquered it. Then brutalized it. He engineered the Holodomor, a man-made famine that killed millions of Ukrainians, and executed or exiled anyone who pushed for national identity. The only thing Stalin gave Ukraine was mass graves and terror.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6584 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:30 pm to
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None of this board’s relatively recent passion for pacifism amounts to a hill of beans when the other country doesn’t give a frick how a bunch of plant operators and MBA's from a state school feel about their tax dollars or "global policing."


This is such a silly stupid take that ignores the real causes of the war and the last 50 years of American forever wars.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The Ukraine war is about a bully getting his arse handed to him. And I'm not referring to Ukraine or Russia.

Do you really think the "new pacifists" wouldn't care about a "new Hitler"? Or, is it that we don't share your assessment of what's actually happening?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37517 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:33 pm to
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This is such a silly stupid take that ignores the real causes of the war and the last 50 years of American forever wars.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The Ukraine war is about a bully getting his arse handed to him. And I'm not referring to Ukraine or Russia.

Do you really think the "new pacifists" wouldn't care about a "new Hitler"? Or, is it that we don't share your assessment of what's actually happening?
Headed out the door to work. I'll respond to your heavily retarded post when I get home tonight.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74043 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:42 pm to
Money
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37517 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 3:15 am to
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This is such a silly stupid take that ignores the real causes of the war and the last 50 years of American forever wars.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The Ukraine war is about a bully getting his arse handed to him. And I'm not referring to Ukraine or Russia.

Do you really think the "new pacifists" wouldn't care about a "new Hitler"? Or, is it that we don't share your assessment of what's actually happening?
The old “actually we’re the bully” routine? You have the moral clarity of chocolate milk.

If you think the lesson of the last 50 years is that America is uniquely disqualified from opposing invasions, then you’ve mistaken self-reflection for paralysis. Past mistakes don’t magically make every new conflict our fault, and they sure as shite don’t turn Russia into the victim.

This isn’t Iraq. There was no false flag, no bullshite WMD case, no unilateral cowboy nonsense. Ukraine didn’t fabricate an invasion for oil contracts. They got invaded by a country that’s openly said it doesn’t think they should exist.

As for this “new pacifism,” it’s not pacifism. It’s selective outrage dressed up like principle. If the same people carrying water for Putin here would’ve fought a “new Hitler,” they might want to explain why they’re doing PR work for a guy who jails journalists, murders critics, and levels cities because his neighbor dared to seek membership in a defensive alliance to protect itself from him.

Maybe you don’t “share my assessment.” But if your assessment ends with the country that got invaded being the problem, then I’m not sure what side of morality you think you’re landing on.

You read “Russia invades its neighbor and is threatening nuclear war if anyone stops them,” and your brain spits out “America bad?" That’s not analysis, that’s late-stage brain rot.

Your take isn’t just stupid... it’s lazy. Lazy in the way stupid people get when they’ve memorized a few talking points from Tucker and think it plays in every theater. It doesn’t. The guy above, who confidently revealed his own stupidity ("Stalin created Ukraine"), while accusing others of ignorance, is a convenient example of how easily mediocre idiots like yourself can be gassed up by obviously moronic propaganda.

This isn’t some deep-state psy-op or oil grift rerun. Ukraine didn’t lure Russia in. They got invaded. Again. By a regime that already annexed part of their country, now wants the rest, and sells it to its people as “historic reunification.” If that doesn’t sound like textbook expansionism to you, maybe brush up on, I don’t know… the 20th century.

You act like this is some reverse-Cold-War morality play where the real villain is the country not leveling cities. If Putin walked into DC tomorrow, you’d be furiously digging through 1990s NATO policy to explain why it was actually our fault for making him feel frightened.

This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 7:58 am
Posted by MetalJacket1973
Member since Jul 2025
72 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 5:58 am to
If you don't understand the answer to this question you shouldn't be participating in US politics frankly
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