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re: Why are there flock cameras all over NYC, but not the UWS?

Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:12 am to
Posted by NytroBud
LaFayette
Member since Jun 2009
6221 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:12 am to
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Always love this quote with no context. Ben Franklin owned fking slaves and he is preaching about liberty


Everything is about racism to a racist black man
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
17051 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:15 am to
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You guys ever ask yourself, where did this sudden "grass roots" uprising come from? The cameras have been around for decades.

It is a weird sudden surge in groupthink.

Our society has been gradually becoming interested in helping criminals get away with their crimes.

- Defund the police
- Crime friendly DAs getting elected
- Reduction in penalties for property crimes
- Policies that encourage shoplifting

“Democratic” socialists are proposing more radical changes, and that strangely seems to coincide with this sudden social media outrage that has cleverly utilized libertarian talking points to fuel the movement.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20347 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:19 am to
I normally like your comments but you are way off the mark here.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66790 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:23 am to
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I didn’t realize we had so many crooks on TD. What’s your problem with Flock cameras if they make us all safer? What are you trying to hide?

Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
17051 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:23 am to
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Ring cameras are privately owned and operated by homeowners/citizens.

The issue is with a network of cameras used by the government/law enforcement.


Many businesses and private citizens are using Flock cameras. Citizens can just as easily turn in their private video to police to result in the same situation you described as if that is the outcome you object to.

Your statement that police can come “grab you and take you to the police station and show you a video recorded from a flock camera of a crime being committed and say you're the guy in the video. Even if you didnt do it and it was a mistake with the facial recognition technology or AI, you're about to be spending thousands of dollars defending yourself and wasting months of time. Better hope they give you bail or else you're losing your job too” was actually intended to be limited to flock cameras as if the same thing cannot happen with private cameras?
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
17051 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:26 am to
Where in the US was it a crime to be standing too close to someone?

That sounds like a false talking point.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61421 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:27 am to
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was actually intended to be limited to flock cameras as if the same thing cannot happen with private cameras?
you must be old
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20722 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:29 am to
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It is a weird sudden surge in groupthink.

Our society has been gradually becoming interested in helping criminals get away with their crimes.

- Defund the police
- Crime friendly DAs getting elected
- Reduction in penalties for property crimes
- Policies that encourage shoplifting

“Democratic” socialists are proposing more radical changes, and that strangely seems to coincide with this sudden social media outrage that has cleverly utilized libertarian talking points to fuel the movement.



Thanks Willie.

Thats why I used AI data center outrage. We now know its funded by NGOs linked to the chinese govt. They would like nothing better than to stop all of them in the US, so use the useful fools to protest.

I would not be surprised to find they were behind a lot of the Soros funding of the things you mentioned. Sure is causing a lot of death and misery in the US, and removing another tool from law enforcement willl only increase it.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20722 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:31 am to
By the way, the Upper West Side probably has a dozen cameras per resident. Why would the cops need to purchase and place cameras when they can just ask those rich folks to give them the tape of someone trying to break into their residence?
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61421 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:35 am to
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By the way, the Upper West Side probably has a dozen cameras per resident. Why would the cops need to purchase and place cameras when they can just ask those rich folks to give them the tape of someone trying to break into their residence?

you must be very old if this is your understanding of flock cameras
Posted by BuckeyeGoon
Member since Jan 2025
1378 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:35 am to
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limited to flock cameras as if the same thing cannot happen with private cameras?

Sure anyone can turn their footage over to police. I would much rather fight that case than whatever is supposedly collected from the government's own cameras.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66790 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:46 am to
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That sounds like a false talking point.

You sound like a subservient fgt.
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In the United States and most other Western nations, standing too close was governed by emergency health orders rather than a specific standalone "too close" criminal statute, though violating general social distancing orders or refusing to disperse in public spaces like parks, beaches, or commercial venues could result in misdemeanor charges, citations, or arrest
And we all read the stories and saw the videos of police arresting people
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Los Angeles, California: The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and local police formed dedicated task forces to break up large underground parties and gatherings. In separate high-profile enforcement actions, deputies arrested 158 people at an illegal warehouse party in downtown Los Angeles and later arrested roughly 90 adults at underground New Year's Eve gatherings in late 2020 and early 2021 for violating emergency public health orders

New York City, New York: The New York City Police Department issued hundreds of summonses and made localized arrests for non-compliance with emergency measures and social distancing rules, particularly during large social gatherings in boroughs like Brooklyn and the Bronx. Data from early 2020 showed enforcement and arrests clustered heavily in specific neighborhoods, including areas in Brownsville

Columbus, Cincinnati, and Toledo, Ohio: Local law enforcement agencies charged and arrested individuals across major Ohio counties for misdemeanor violations of state health directives that mandated strict stay-at-home behavior and social distancing

Chicago, Illinois: The Chicago Police Department issued targeted citations and made localized arrests after breaking up group gatherings and non-essential parties that defied municipal pandemic safety ordinances

Minneapolis, Minnesota: State and local authorities filed criminal charges against dozens of individuals—including business owners and residents—for violating executive stay-at-home and capacity orders
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 8:51 am
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
3379 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:50 am to
It does seem a little odd that the upper west side (UWS) is devoid of cameras.

The UWS is a mostly nice neighborhood, but the upper east side (UES) is the neighborhood with the most wealth (especially along Fifth Ave, Madison Ave, & Park Ave), and is the only neighborhood that doesn't have projects / public housing... until maybe north of 96th St, where it becomes Spanish Harlem.

(The UWS and Central Park are the areas shown without cameras. The UES is the slender line of cameras to the right of that.)

Off the top of my head, maybe:
1) the high end / luxury shops on Madison Avenue might invite expensive thefts that created a perceived need for cameras along that corridor.
2) city council members have a say in the matter and the UWS member(s) have opposed it more than other neighborhoods.

Otherwise, no clue.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
11624 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:52 am to
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if you can’t figure out what UWS means here, I don’t know what to tell you


WDYEYPB?
Posted by Chemcorp158
Sadly not the Rocky Mountains
Member since Oct 2017
244 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:18 am to
Damn, you got him.

We should all just ignore the quote and what it is saying about giving up freedoms for perceived safety because Ben Franklin was a man of his time and even if he changed his ways and became the president of the Pennsylvania abolition Society in 1787.

Bring on the police state and I for one welcome Big Brother.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
17051 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:37 am to
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Thats why I used AI data center outrage. We now know its funded by NGOs linked to the chinese govt. They would like nothing better than to stop all of them in the US, so use the useful fools to protest.

Here’s another observation about it.

The ANTIFA movement promotes property damage as a form of tantrum behavior to achieve their goals- social disruption, anarchy, and obviously the disruption of property rights.

What solution do we keep reading about on these topics? Vandalism. People are promoting the destruction of private property in order to address their grievance of too much transparency when out in public spaces. They only want some witnesses, not the ones who can and do intervene and remove criminals from society.

We saw this same line of reasoning when they were taking over public spaces, burning public and private businesses, and destroying private assets like the Waymo vehicles right after Trump’s election.

Real libertarians do not embrace tantrum behavior. They weigh the tradeoffs in that they value freedom until it interferes with their personal liberty and where they have an expectation of privacy.

But there are clever organizations adept at manipulating human behavior and capitalizing on groupthink.

Not all of the people jumping on board this social movement would think of themselves as ANTIFA members, but they should be questioning whether or not they are the useful idiots drawn to movements like this based on a tempting premise.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
17051 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:40 am to
None of those were for 2 people standing too close to each other as depicted in the cartoon.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
24376 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:43 am to
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they have been around for less than a decade


The first alpr camera was invented in 1976. They have been widely used across the world since the 1990’s including the US.
Posted by BuckeyeGoon
Member since Jan 2025
1378 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:43 am to
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they should be questioning whether or not they are the useful idiots drawn to movements like this

You should be asking yourself if the same thing applies to you on the opposite side of the issue.
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