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re: Why are conservatives ignoring Catholic Churches are the ones bringing in illegals
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:47 am to Sparty3131
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:47 am to Sparty3131
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Catholic Church was done for me when they emailed my SIL who is a widow with two kids under 2 years old and asked for a donation to baptize the youngest. No thank you. Greasy
This is disingenuous . They ask everyone for donations. If you don’t donate they still provide the service.
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:54 am to GnashRebel
Asking someone for a donation to baptize is greasy.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:55 am to Moustache
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Catholic Charities USA is bringing them in, not individual parishes or dioceses.
The parishes and dioceses are too busy paying molestation settlements to worry about importing more Catholics.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 11:10 am to Sparty3131
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Asking someone for a donation to baptize is greasy.
They don’t make money you goober. So they always ask for money recognizing some can afford it and others cannot. They are literally in the begging business.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 11:30 am to GnashRebel
Respectfully disagree.
Asking for money to baptize kids (the literal future of a church) is not okay. Parents should never be asked or expected to pay for new members of a church.
Asking for money to baptize kids (the literal future of a church) is not okay. Parents should never be asked or expected to pay for new members of a church.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 11:37 am to 4cubbies
The Good Samaritan paid the innkeeper to help get the man on his feet again and on his way.
He disn't offer for him to move in and pay all his bills permanently...
He disn't offer for him to move in and pay all his bills permanently...
Posted on 9/10/24 at 11:39 am to RaoulDuke504
Christians can and should help others in need, whether they are here "illegally" or not. If an illegal alien comes into our church and needs some groceries, we will share the gospel with them and give them a gift card for groceries if we are able.
What we shouldn't do is break the law by smuggling illegals into the country, if that's happening today. We shouldn't be breaking the law to get people here, especially when we have a legal process to make that happen.
What we shouldn't do is break the law by smuggling illegals into the country, if that's happening today. We shouldn't be breaking the law to get people here, especially when we have a legal process to make that happen.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:02 pm to 4cubbies
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Specifically how is the Church doing this? It wasn’t in the OP.
The Church, through its subsidiary organizations (and, importantly, by not stopping them) has absolutely assisted illegals in coming to the country.
Newsweek
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Jose Antonio Fernandez, CEO of the San Antonio-based archdiocese, told Catholic News Agency (CNA) that his nonprofit has provided airline transportation to migrants but asserts it's within FEMA's rules associated with the Emergency Food and Shelter Program.
Catholic Charities AZ
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Since October of 2018, thousands of vulnerable families visited Arizona for a night or two while they are on their way to reunite with their families in other states In the meantime, they need immediate shelter, food, clothing and other necessities for themselves and their children after being released from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in locations throughout the southwest.
You might be saying "well that's not funding illegal immigration", but it is as end-travel support is not only part of the enticement but it also facilitates their ability to remain here illegally.
ScieElo.org
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In recent years, some actors have accompanied and facilitated the transit of migrant families, adults and unaccompanied children toward the Mexico-U.S. border in a relatively well-organized manner. In the context of a very dangerous journey toward the United States, pro-migrant activists, nongovernmental human rights advocacy organizations, as well as members of the Catholic Church have supported, accompanied and even promoted new forms of migration in larger groups and also widespread asylum requests from migrants from Central America, regions of the south of the continent and other countries of the world.
The highlighted portion isn't saying just "people who happen to be Catholic" but "members of the Catholic Church organization acting with the blessings of the Church".
The UN's Regional Refugee and Migrant Response Plan (RMRP for short) shows the Catholic Commission for Social Justice (through the archdiocese's Ministry for Migrant and Refugees program) donated nearly $2M in assisting illegals in 2023 alone.
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If you want to learn something and not just prey on people’s emotions
That's an ironic statement coming from you as every stance of yours I've seen thus far is rooted in emotion rather than logic or facts. From your link:
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1. Does the Catholic Church advocate for “open borders”?
No. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption” (no. 2241). This includes a sovereign country’s right to uphold its borders.
The Church does maintain, however, that this right is not unlimited.
They then go on to lay out why and when they will break the law.
The bottom line is that the Church has been complicit with fomenting illegal immigration into the US when it would have been far easier for them to render aid in the illegal's country of origin or the first country they came to.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:05 pm to 4cubbies
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Catholics dogma respects the life and dignity of all people, regardless of what country they were born in. Did you not know this very basic Catholic principle? You’re mad at the church for being Catholic.
The Catholic Church is not at odds with the idea of sovereignty.
That’s an absurd stance.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:06 pm to RaoulDuke504
It isn’t the Church.
It’s a non profit with a misleading name “Catholic Charities”. No connection to the church.
The name is on purpose to get low informed voters riled up over the name confusion.
It’s a non profit with a misleading name “Catholic Charities”. No connection to the church.
The name is on purpose to get low informed voters riled up over the name confusion.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:01 pm to Sparty3131
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expected to pay for new members of a church.
Again you are lying. There is no expectation of payment.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:10 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Mass migration is a Jewish issue
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:10 pm to HeadSlash
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Organized religion is a scam. You should have a personal relationship with God. No middle man.
This is such a lie.
Moses was a middle man.
All the prophets were middle men.
The Jewish Priesthood was a middle man.
Jesus sent the apostles out as middle men. “Go and forgive sins and they will be forgiven, HOLD THEM BOUND AND THEY WILL BE HELD BOUND.”
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:27 pm to GnashRebel
She was emailed in regards to her child being baptized. They asked for a donation in the email for doing the baptism service.
How is this donation not for someone being baptized and entering into the church?
Weather or not it is expected is inconsequential. Asking $ for baptizing the future members of your church is slimy.
How is this donation not for someone being baptized and entering into the church?
Weather or not it is expected is inconsequential. Asking $ for baptizing the future members of your church is slimy.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:06 pm to Bard
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You might be saying "well that's not funding illegal immigration", but it is as end-travel support is not only part of the enticement but it also facilitates their ability to remain here illegally.
that's like us being supposed to pretend that tax-payer funding Planned Parenthood is just supposed to keep the lights on and that's totally separate then abortion.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:08 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Why are conservatives ignoring Catholic Churches are the ones bringing in illegals
What makes you think we’re ignoring it?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:10 pm to the808bass
why are you ignoring my self-ban bet?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:10 pm to RollTide1987
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Mainly because they are not. And any Catholic church that is transporting illegal immigrants into the United States is disobeying Catholic teaching. However, when illegal immigrants arrive on the doorstep of a church and ask for assistance, Catholics serve them and other newcomers in accordance with our sincerely held religious beliefs, abiding by the teachings of Jesus Christ, affirming the inalienable rights and dignity of every person, and providing Christian charity as a visible sign of God’s love and mercy to those in need.
If that was actually the case, they would transport them to the Vatican, wouldn't they? The Catholic Church wants to affirm the inalienable rights and dignity of every person, and provide Christian charity as a visible sign of God's love and mercy to those in need, but do it all on the backs of the US taxpayer.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:12 pm to OWLFAN86
Because you’re a jackass loudmouth.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:13 pm to RaoulDuke504
Especially under this pope....what a disaster.
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