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re: Who's Invading Who?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:21 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:21 pm to Seldom Seen
Russia should join NATO.
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Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:22 pm to Seldom Seen
The expanding borders of NATO were always going to be a source of conflict.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:22 pm to Seldom Seen
Remember that time a western power invaded a Russian bloc country?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:24 pm to BobBoucher
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It’s an existential threat to Putin,
How so? Were they doing military exercises at the borders to intimidate Russia? Was Poland hiding nukes or did we denuclearize them? Doesn't even seem like they have enough weapons to defend their own country...... What exactly was the threat here?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:25 pm to Seldom Seen
frick Putin
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:27 pm to USMCguy121
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The expanding borders of NATO were always going to be a source of conflict.
The current head of the CIA has said as much since the Bush admin.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:29 pm to EasterEgg
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Are NATO countries allowed to get pissed at each other?
Greece and Turkey are both members and they have pissing matches all the time.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:31 pm to EasterEgg
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Are NATO countries allowed to get pissed at each other?
UK leaving the EU seemed to loss off lots of NATO members
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:33 pm to IT_Dawg
As if 'sovereignty' matters. Come on man, Iraq and Afghanistan laugh at your concern.
As do Panama and Grenada.
As do Panama and Grenada.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:33 pm to oklahogjr
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Joining NATO is not the same as being invaded. And another country joining NATO certainly doesn't mean yours is invaded.
So you don't /didn't support JFK in the Cuban missile crisis?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:34 pm to BobBoucher
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It’s an existential threat to Putin, just like it would be an existential threat to the US if those colors were the Warsaw Pact encroaching in on our borders.
No way we’d tolerate that.
Having a former KGB guy lead Russia is an existential threat to former Soviet countries. Should they tolerate it?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:38 pm to omegaman66
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So you don't /didn't support JFK in the Cuban missile crisis?
Just imagine thinking this is a relevant talking point, much less a rebuttal
Russia conducting foreign policy as if it were still the 1960’s is exactly what caused this mess.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:38 pm to Seldom Seen
Sweet lord.
Yes, a voluntary association is the same as invading.
Was Putin afraid he might accidentally join NATO?
Did the countries that join NATO become puppet states?
The random stupidity of this board, I swear.
Yes, a voluntary association is the same as invading.
Was Putin afraid he might accidentally join NATO?
Did the countries that join NATO become puppet states?
The random stupidity of this board, I swear.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:39 pm to BigJim
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Was Putin afraid he might accidentally join NATO?
Even better, Putin wanted to join NATO when he first took office.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:40 pm to Dawgfanman
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Maybe everyone is armed to the gills because Russia keeps invading other countries?
Did you write Russia by accident instead of the USA???
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:42 pm to omegaman66
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So you don't /didn't support JFK in the Cuban missile crisis
Had Ukraine joined NATO and we loaded up a bunch of nukes and missiles at their border I'd be a little more understanding.
Please keep in mind we didn't add the Ukraine to NATO and they weren't showing any signs of preparing to attack Russia....
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:43 pm to omegaman66
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Did you write Russia by accident instead of the USA???
Oh look another irrelevant attempt at rebuttal.
That the US has wrongfully invaded other nations has no bearing on whether what Russia is doing is wrong. No one on this board was involved with the decision to invade Vietnam, Iraq x2, Afghanistan, Panama, Grenada, or any of the others. Nor is anyone on this board, or the American government, beholden to the rationale used by the US in those decades-old conflicts.
Quit with the revisionist, Reddit-quality edgelord one-liners already.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:43 pm to Indefatigable
True story. The Americans laughed at him.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:43 pm to Seldom Seen
nato expansion has absolutely nothing to do with this phony conflict. stop believing what they tell you bc what they tell you will never be the truth. ffs people.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:45 pm to DawgRebelinAL
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The Americans laughed at him.
Yuge mistake on Clinton and W’s part to alienate Putin in those early days. Much like OP and others in this thread, they were simply too caught up in Cold War dynamics to make a rational decision.
We will, one day, need Russia when it comes to fighting China, and the past 20+ years of American foreign policy has made that eventual alignment of interests against the Chinese more painful than it had to be.
That said the tantrum the Russians have thrown in those last two decades have not made it any easier either.
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 3:47 pm
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