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re: Who argued Trump didn't have plenary powers to declassify?

Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:13 pm to
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i’m not giving trump an out. hes guilty


Of WHAT???
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 9:13 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:23 pm to
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Tigerdocsucker, HankFag, Euroshitstain, and SloMoFro
Sad, that you actually think this is funny. Perhaps now you should comment on the wardrobe of everyone’s mother. I’m sure all the other kids on the playground will find that hilarious

Anyway, you’re mischaracterizing what I said about Trump’s MaL document cache. I never said that he lacked the CAPACITY to declassify.

I said that he faced evidentiary problems in establishing that he did indeed declassify his documents and that the procedures (which he did not follow) were intended to provide documentation that he did so.
Posted by tigerfan 64
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Member since Sep 2016
6122 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

i’m not giving trump an out. hes guilty



Of WHAT??? ?


Of being. ORANGE
Of being a MAN
Of being. BAD
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
22909 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:27 pm to
A bunch of commies
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:36 pm to
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said that he faced evidentiary problems in establishing that he did indeed declassify his documents and that the procedures (which he did not follow) were intended to provide documentation that he did so.



elegant.

without documentation no one knows of a supposed change.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39585 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:37 pm to
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the procedures (which he did not follow)


Please explain this.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:23 pm to
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the procedures (which he did not follow)
quote:

Please explain this.

when a president declassify documents, he normally does so by generating a memorandum which both explains the reason for the declassification and specifically identifies the documents which have been declassified.

Trump provided us with a very good example of this, in the 19-Jan-2021 memorandum by which he declassified one single binder of documents related to Crossfire Hurricane.

As to that one binder of documents, there will never be any question as to whether Trump actually declassified the documents on 19 -January or whether he instead (absent such a memorandum) merely claimed to have done so ex post facto and after his authority for declassification expired upon leaving office.

Trump did not follow this procedure as to any of the documents found in the Mar-a-Lago cache. As such, there will always be people who believe that he never actually declassified these documents, but is only claiming (ex post facto) that he did so in order to justify his possession of those documents.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109682 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:27 pm to
quote:

when a president declassify documents, he normally does so by generating a memorandum which both explains the reason for the declassification and specifically identifies the documents which have been declassified.

Trump provided us with a very good example of this, in the 19-Jan-2021 memorandum by which he declassified one single binder of documents related to Crossfire Hurricane.


Who says that was the “normal” way to declassify documents? Where can I find similar presidential “memos” for every other document ever declassified?
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:38 pm to
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He has the power to determine what he declassifies?

He has the power to determine how he declassifies?

Both?


Yes...
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:39 pm to
quote:

without documentation no one knows of a supposed change.


Doesn't need to document...

As POTUS he is the authority. There is no process, documentation or ritual tiktok dance number required.
Posted by tigerfan 64
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Member since Sep 2016
6122 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:49 pm to
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As to that one binder of documents, there will never be any question as to whether Trump actually declassified the documents on 19 -January

Was the binder of crossfire hurricane documents you admit to being properly and legally declassified via DJT's presidential powers, seized by the fbi in the MAL raid?
If the legally declassified binder of crossfire hurricane documents were seized, have they been rightfully returned to DJT?
If the binder of crossfire hurricane documents were seized and not returned, by what investigative power is the fbi/doj/archives still with holding them?

Would this be considered an illegal seizure?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:52 pm to
I have no idea as to the answer to any of the questions you present.

Of course, none of those questions is remotely relevant to the point that I raised.

You seem to just be looking for a fight. I wish you luck in finding someone to accommodate you.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 10:55 pm
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
6122 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:01 pm to
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I have no idea as to the answer to any of the questions you present.

I think you could answer each question if you chose too.
For as much professional wisdom you have expounded this board with in regards to the raid, I truly felt you may give these questions a shot.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:27 pm to
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Trump did not follow this procedure as to any of the documents found in the Mar-a-Lago cache.



This sounds made up and conjecture.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35095 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:32 pm to
Yeah I’d like to see Hank post something that provides any details about this supposed procedure. I’d be genuinely interested to see it. I’ve not seen anything along those lines yet myself. If there is simply nothing official and/or specific on point, then that does present a somewhat unique situation that would ultimately inure to the benefit of Trump. Tow goes to the runner kind of thing, Trump being the runner.
Posted by RedCali714
Costa Mesa, California
Member since Oct 2022
2027 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:36 pm to
Aggie Yeller Fig Hank? Powerbottom? SloBlowPro?
Posted by RedCali714
Costa Mesa, California
Member since Oct 2022
2027 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:38 pm to
Celtic B i t c h, right on cue.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26955 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:42 pm to
quote:

AggieHank86


Is there a protocol for how a President must declassify documents?
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
11258 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:43 pm to
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Who argued Trump could declassify by just saying it? 90% of this board.


Well, the president can. So you're kinda stupid.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46084 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:02 am to
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Goes both ways.


It would if Biden were potus at that time. Thanks for playing
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