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Who argued Trump didn't have plenary powers to declassify?

Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:15 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:15 pm
Where are you now?
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
15393 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:17 pm to
Finding a way to defend taking declassified documents
Posted by Knartfocker
Member since Jun 2020
1371 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:17 pm to
They'll be out tomorrow morning after their talking points have been received
Posted by ConcreteThreshold
Denver, CO
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:17 pm to
It's (D)ifferent. Biden and Co sat in these for ~8 years, BUT THEN THEY CAME FORWARD.
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:20 pm to
I don’t remember but I would like to go back and look at posts from Low T, Powerless, indefagable, Tarzana, FaggieHank Mickey Cucksmill and a few others.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38430 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:22 pm to
Tigerdocsucker, HankFag, Euroshitstain, and SloMoFro
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:22 pm to
me. well actually guys on tv who described two layers of approvers for sci.
and there is a necessity for people to learn about it so mind stuff isnt convincing.
im ok with biden going to prison for dumbasssery.
im not giving trump an out.
hes guilty.
frick them both. idiots.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 9:29 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34602 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:29 pm to
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hes guilty.


Trump is innnocent.

As such, your false equivalency is...




Your boy Biden is guilty, as are his lawyers.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 8:30 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31232 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:30 pm to
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hes guilty.


Let me remind you...Trump had plenary powers to declassify

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50895 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

me. well actually guys on tv who described two layers of approvers for sci.
and there is a necessity for people to learn about it so mind stuff isnt convincing.
im ok with biden going to prison for dumbasssery.
im not giving trump an out.
hes guilty.
frick them both. idiots.


Only one of these people was president and capable of declassifying documents.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57431 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:40 pm to
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They'll be out tomorrow morning after their talking points have been received


"Joe's a nice guy and is cooperative, not like Trump who's a meanie obstructionist." This is pretty much it.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:45 pm to
They have disappeared in to thin air!
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:48 pm to
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im not giving trump an out.
hes guilty.


Of what?
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15855 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:48 pm to
Who argued Trump could declassify by just saying it? 90% of this board.

Goes both ways.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57431 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:50 pm to
quote:

Let me remind you...Trump had plenary powers to declassify


This is interesting:

quote:

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."


This article is from 2017:

LINK

The problem, though, isn't with Congress. It's with little pissants from the Administrative State (like Alexnader Vindman) who think they actually run the show and believe the president is subservient to them.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 8:53 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31232 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:51 pm to
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Who argued Trump could declassify by just saying it? 90% of this board.


He can.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14237 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:53 pm to
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Let me remind you...Trump had plenary powers to declassify

What does that mean?

He has the power to determine what he declassifies?

He has the power to determine how he declassifies?

Both?
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57431 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:54 pm to
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Who argued Trump could declassify by just saying it? 90% of this board.


He can as president.

quote:

Goes both ways.


Biden can't as vice president.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57431 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:55 pm to
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Both?


Yes.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31232 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:02 pm to
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What does that mean?

He has the power to determine what he declassifies?

He has the power to determine how he declassifies?

Both?




Both
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