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re: Where is the proof that the unvaccinated transmit the disease more than the vaccinated?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:14 am to Taxing Tiger
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:14 am to Taxing Tiger
Oh shite he posted it and didn't bother to read it.
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Between 11th–25th June 2021 (week 7–8 after dose 2), 69 healthcare workers were tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. 62 participated in the clinical study. 49 were (pre)symptomatic with one requiring oxygen supplementation. All recovered uneventfully. 23 complete-genome sequences were obtained. They all belonged to the Delta variant, and were phylogenetically distinct from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from community transmission cases, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. Time from diagnosis to PCR negative was 8–33 days (median: 21). Neutralizing antibody levels after vaccination and at diagnosis of the cases were lower than those in the matched uninfected controls. There was no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels and viral loads or the development of symptoms.
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Interpretation: Breakthrough Delta variant infections are associated with high viral loads, prolonged PCR positivity, and low levels of vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies, explaining the transmission between the vaccinated people. Physical distancing measures remain critical to reduce SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant transmission.
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:17 am to winkchance
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They started floating the lie that most of the hospitalized were unvaccinated and most of the dying were unvaccinated. Reality is that was not true.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:19 am to Kjnstkmn
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You got it backwards baw, the vaccinated carry a higher viral load. Thats why Israel (highest vax rate in world) has the most covid cases.
This is false and shows an inability to understand or interpret that study (that 241x number is fake news, because that study did not compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated with the same virus).
However, yes both vaccinated and unvaccinated spread the disease, and it is not clear if one does more than the other. This is part of why these restrictions on the unvaccinated are ridiculous.
But I would go further and say that, even if the unvaccinated did spread it more, it is still wrong to limit their movement in society, access to healthcare, access to the economy, etc. Personal liberty is more important.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:22 am to Taxing Tiger
quote:Amazing this dude calls someone an idiot then immediately uses the "251x" line without realizing it's been debunked over and over for at least 1 month now
It’s the exact opposite, idiot. According to the linked study below, it’s the vaccinated sheep that carry a higher viral load. 251 times that of an unvaccinated person.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:22 am to Bulldogblitz
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Vaccinated are able to carry a higher load of this shite, they are superspreader pod people.
I didn't take the vaccine to prevent catching COVID and spreading it. I took it to prevent myself from dying from COVID or having complications should I catch it.
If someone doesn't want to take the vaccine then good don't take it but if the get COVID and have a bad time with it or die then frick'em. It was their choice. It's not anyone elses responsibility just like if I die from the vaccine it was my choice and no one elses responsibility. And I am 100% sure unvaccinated peoples thought on my death will be frick'em, he knew the risks, it was his choice, as it should be.
Why can't people understand this or do you all just crave the argument and conflict in some sort of race to be right?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:23 am to Jax-Tiger
quote:You asked for evidence, confirm there is evidence, then just said you don't believe the evidence.
Where is the proof that the unvaccinated transmit the disease more than the vaccinated?
So what would be the point of someone presenting evidence to you since you've conceded that you will believe only what you want to believe?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:24 am to deathvalleytiger10
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Any free thinker, vaccinated or not, should be very alarmed at how everything is being manipulated. At this point, how do you trust anything that is told to us.
Agree. Vaccinated or not, anybody blindly swallowing what the medical industry and this government is putting out is a fool. This entire debacle has been a pretty good test case for who's a free thinker and who isn't, and the results aren't encouraging.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:25 am to themunch
quote:You do realize they're inundated with unvaccinated people, right?
Why have hospitals become inundated with covid after giving vaccinations to most of the population? You would rationally think the opposite would transpire.
Unless you also just believe what you want and throw out the evidence that doesn't fit your agenda.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:25 am to Kjnstkmn
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the vaccinated carry a higher viral load.
No they don't. You like the others who posted it this either did not read your own link or did not understand the information in it.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:26 am to kingbob
It’s like the polls before the 2016 and 2020 elections. The “scientists” all more interested in pushing agenda than being accurate. Likely same exact thing happening with climate change
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:27 am to shel311
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So what would be the point of someone presenting evidence to you since you've conceded that you will believe only what you want to believe?
Because all data is being manipulated and censored at this point, sweetheart and that's NOT an opinion....
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:27 am to Jax-Tiger
Ask the people who work in the hospitals.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:28 am to Jax-Tiger
Muh trust the science.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:30 am to shel311
Echo chamber that refuses to learn to read.
Which is why they continue to suck shite and still pretend they are in the know.
But
Which is why they continue to suck shite and still pretend they are in the know.
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:30 am to SirWinston
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Likely same exact thing happening with climate change
100% the same
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:30 am to c on z
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Ask the people who work in the hospitals.
What's that got to do with anything? The vaccine is supposed to reduce your chances of being hospitalized. Where is the evidence that the unvaccinated spread it more than the vaccinated?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:31 am to Jax-Tiger
Honestly This Thread poses the wrong question. I literally don't give a f*** who spreads it more. The answer to that question doesn't change the concept of Freedom one bit
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:35 am to Jax-Tiger
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What's that got to do with anything? The vaccine is supposed to reduce your chances of being hospitalized. Where is the evidence that the unvaccinated spread it more than the vaccinated?
True. It is clear from the data and from experience that the vaccine greatly reduces your chances of serious illness, hospitalization, and death. That is true. That is a great reason to be vaccinated.
It is not clear, however, what effect the vaccine has on the spread of the disease. I suspect it lowers transmission to some extent, but it clearly still happens. That is beyond dispute. It’s still worth getting for most, but this fear people have of the unvaccinated is irrational.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:36 am to mouton
The article headline itself proclaims that the vaccinated have 251 higher loads, it's the article that is misleading:
Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load,
Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients,
Co-Workers
Reading further (the source paper itself) it seems that you are correct in that it is a little more complicated: it is the fully vaccinated health workers who have breakthrough Delta variants have 251 times higher viral load and the comparison is to the viral load of patients with the older versions of the virus.
So basically this article was misinfo fake news, and the real info to be gleaned is simply that the new variants spread easier than the original virus.
But as mentioned above vaxxed / unvaxxxed can both spread and benefits of vax is only self-protection.
The only benefit to others of your being vaxed would be room in hospitals etc.. in a crowded facility limited resources scenario. We're not having those types of issues other than what is being created by firing unvaxxed health care workers.
So no need for these stupid mandates.
Thanks for pointing out the BS in the article, will make a note not to cite it going forward. I up-bumped all the posts above helping to point this out.
Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load,
Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients,
Co-Workers
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Vaccinated individuals are blasting out concentrated viral explosions into their communities and fueling new COVID surges. Vaccinated healthcare workers are almost certainly infecting their coworkers and patients, causing horrendous collateral damage.
Reading further (the source paper itself) it seems that you are correct in that it is a little more complicated: it is the fully vaccinated health workers who have breakthrough Delta variants have 251 times higher viral load and the comparison is to the viral load of patients with the older versions of the virus.
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Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.
So basically this article was misinfo fake news, and the real info to be gleaned is simply that the new variants spread easier than the original virus.
But as mentioned above vaxxed / unvaxxxed can both spread and benefits of vax is only self-protection.
The only benefit to others of your being vaxed would be room in hospitals etc.. in a crowded facility limited resources scenario. We're not having those types of issues other than what is being created by firing unvaxxed health care workers.
So no need for these stupid mandates.
Thanks for pointing out the BS in the article, will make a note not to cite it going forward. I up-bumped all the posts above helping to point this out.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:38 am to Snipe
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I didn't take the vaccine to prevent catching COVID and spreading it. I took it to prevent myself from dying from COVID or having complications should I catch it.
Okay. Then you agree that all of the policies being implemented to force people to get vaccinated by restricting their ability to work, move around, go to restaurants, or even get medical care are wrong and authoritarian, right?
I think the unvaccinated are so vocal just because they want to be left alone to live their lives and that is becoming impossible to do without taking the jab.
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