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re: Where is the proof that the unvaccinated transmit the disease more than the vaccinated?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:41 pm to lagallifrey
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:41 pm to lagallifrey
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Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are spreading
That was my point but listening to the government and the media that it's only us unvaxed that are responsible for the spike. There's many people out there being obtuse to the real reason for blame of the spike.
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:45 pm to Homesick Tiger
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That was my point but listening to the government and the media that it's only us unvaxed that are responsible for the spike. There's many people out there being obtuse to the real reason for blame of the spike.
Yeah the government and media are being very disingenuous when they blame the unvaccinated.
But your question about why this spike was bigger, is answered by the fact that delta is much more infectious. It is going to work its way through the population regardless. We just need to accept that and move on with our lives.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:51 pm to shel311
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Post Delta, the states that had the worst surges were states with lower vax rates. The states that had the smallest surges were states with higher vax rates
This is the information that I sought, but I still think that the data is unclear and we have examples where the vaccinated are still spreading the disease just as easily as the unvaccinated.
For example, my son is a student at Purdue. They ONLY test the unvaccinated. At Purdue, you have to get tested weekly if you're unvaccinated and you are never tested if you're vaccinated. Of course the unvaccinated are testing positive at a higher rate. How do you know whether they were infected by a vaccinated or unvaccinated person? It only makes sense that vaccinated people would shy away from people that they know are not vaccinated, so contract tracing would probably finger another unvaccinated person, most of the time.
Same with the state data. If you have a smaller percentage of unvaccinated people, you are testing a smaller set of your population. If you are more likely to be asymptomatic if you are vaccinated, then you are less likely to get tested, regardless of local/state policies.
Unless they test the vaccinated AND the unvaccinated people equally, I don't think we can trust the data like that.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:02 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Between Jan. 1 and Aug 30, about 99% of hospitalizations were unvaccinated.
As of Aug. 30, 1.6 million hospitalized, only 10,471, or 0.65% were fully vaccinated.
Only 0.92% of the deaths were fully vaccinated.
Okay. If the unvaccinated have a 99.5% chance of recovering from the virus, and the vaccinated are only 1% of the current deaths, then that means that the vaccinated have a 99.995% chance of surviving the virus, should they get it. Assuming that they can still catch the virus from other vaccinated people, the chances of a vaccinated person dying from the virus after catching it from an unvaccinated person is even lower than 0.005%.
So remind me why on earth would we put such draconian measures in place? Profits? Control? It certainly ain't about the concern that the unvaccinated are some sort of huge threat to the vaccinated.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:51 pm to Jax-Tiger
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For example, my son is a student at Purdue. They ONLY test the unvaccinated. At Purdue, you have to get tested weekly if you're unvaccinated and you are never tested if you're vaccinated.
All processes and reporting are designed to advance a bullshite narrative. If a person stopped laughing about it long enough to considered what's going on, they'd probably go postal.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:38 pm to Snipe
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The majority of us in the middle (both vaxxed and unvacced) just want to be left alone and allowed to make the choice for ourselves
FIFY
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:53 pm to ssgrice
Thanks. That is more correct of what I meant.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 5:59 pm to Jax-Tiger
Yes, it is spread much higher in unvaccinated.
The study about viral loads stated vaccinated when they do catch DELTA, it has a viral load higher than the original covid. But unvaxxinated is even higher than that.
A recent study said that vaccinated don't appear to spread the virus even if they test positive unless they have symptoms.
Then even if you get it, chance of hospitalization is much much lower if you have the vaccine.
The study about viral loads stated vaccinated when they do catch DELTA, it has a viral load higher than the original covid. But unvaxxinated is even higher than that.
A recent study said that vaccinated don't appear to spread the virus even if they test positive unless they have symptoms.
Then even if you get it, chance of hospitalization is much much lower if you have the vaccine.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 6:02 pm to Jax-Tiger
Given that unvaccinated often feel worse, it’s almost a certainty that the vaccinated group is spreading it more.
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 6:03 pm
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